5 minutes ago, Is Dom Is Good said:

I noticed that there also seemed to be blue runners hanging around just outside the Hawks 50 for a long period of time.

Were they Hawthorn runners? As it looked like a tactic to try and make it look like there was less space to run into.

There should be a time limit on how long the runners can stay on the ground for it was ridiculous.

the replays commentators were noticing it too. well, blind Freddy would have.

Hawthorn play unsociable football, they also play street smart.

Hope Goodwin took note

13 minutes ago, Is Dom Is Good said:

I noticed that there also seemed to be blue runners hanging around just outside the Hawks 50 for a long period of time.

Were they Hawthorn runners? As it looked like a tactic to try and make it look like there was less space to run into.

There should be a time limit on how long the runners can stay on the ground for it was ridiculous.

If true could be a revival of an old tactic. Terry Wallace used to do it with the Bulldogs. Mix in runners, trainers and water boys/girls to fill in the empty spaces especially when his team was under pressure. Umpires should take note.

given the umps are 'wired'  the off field umpire ought to be taking note and firing off a 'stop play, award free to the team without trespassing runners"

Would nip it in the bud instantly

33 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

To my mind he showed this in his acceptance speech at last year's b&f:  smart, articulate, gracious, humble.  Couple this with his competitiveness and fierce desire to improve and win at all costs spells 'leader' to me.  The way he plays says: 'follow me, guys' (as does Viney).  His suggestion at the last Freo bounce suggests he has the 'footy smarts' to read the play and how to respond.  Hopefully, Jones listens next time.  Have no idea how he is viewed internally, tho. 

I agree - I'm not fond of the co-capt model either.  Bit off topic but maybe - Viney as capt with Hunt and Gawn as VC.  Gawn also has a good footy brain and on-field voice. 

Missed that speech, I'll have to have a look for it. You're definitely right about on field leadership though, his actions speak for themselves.

20 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

given the umps are 'wired'  the off field umpire ought to be taking note and firing off a 'stop play, award free to the team without trespassing runners"

Would nip it in the bud instantly

Or have our players run in to the space occupied by the runner and "accidentally" collide.

4 minutes ago, Nasher said:

Or have our players run in to the space occupied by the runner and "accidentally" collide.

unfortunate 

1 hour ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Good post, hopefully it will provide some perspective to some of those wallowing in hysteria.

LOL, wallowing in hysteria. The fact that we've been ahead or even in the last quarter of every game, and have only won 3 is probably the cause of said hysteria

1 hour ago, beelzebub said:

the replays commentators were noticing it too. well, blind Freddy would have.

Hawthorn play unsociable football, they also play street smart.

Hope Goodwin took note

that's been going on for years ... easy thing to fix these days with post match camera review

Big fines and/or banning of runners for that team for next match

On 08/05/2017 at 1:45 PM, beelzebub said:

observation of the year !!

Drovers dog

9 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

that's been going on for years ... easy thing to fix these days with post match camera review

Big fines and/or banning of runners for that team for next match

doesnt hurt anyone for THAT game.. You need immediate penalty otherwise its a cost v prize scenario.

4 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Drovers dog

now thats ambiguous without context...feel free to apply some. Am curious

1 minute ago, beelzebub said:

now thats ambiguous without context...feel free to apply some. Am curious

A drovers dog could see that our kick ins are not working and is one of the many areas that need improvement

5 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

A drovers dog could see that our kick ins are not working and is one of the many areas that need improvement

Maybe said dog should take charge of that, as whoever it  is currently is barking up the wrong tree.. Theyve had a while to attend  to this. Not a new " shortcoming " in our weaponary

Just now, beelzebub said:

Maybe said dog should take charge of that, as whoever it  is currently is barking up the wrong tree.. Theyve had a while to attend  to this. Not a new " shortcoming " in our weaponary

Our Kick ins have been ordinary since Danny Hughes left....

2 hours ago, Is Dom Is Good said:

I noticed that there also seemed to be blue runners hanging around just outside the Hawks 50 for a long period of time.

Were they Hawthorn runners? As it looked like a tactic to try and make it look like there was less space to run into.

There should be a time limit on how long the runners can stay on the ground for it was ridiculous.

It was both teams. Crossy was out there hanging around & doing nothing just as much as the Hawthorn bloke

I'd be happy if they were only allowed out there after a goal is scored & they then have to be off the ground before the ball is bounced to restart play.

Same with water boys. Have 'em dotted around the boundary so players can access them by all means but keep them off the ground

2 hours ago, Go the Biff said:

It was both teams. Crossy was out there hanging around & doing nothing just as much as the Hawthorn bloke

I'd be happy if they were only allowed out there after a goal is scored & they then have to be off the ground before the ball is bounced to restart play.

Same with water boys. Have 'em dotted around the boundary so players can access them by all means but keep them off the ground

I’d take it further. You want a drink? Head to the interchange bench. You want to talk to the coach? Pick up the phone.

19 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Garry Lyon is correct here. 100%

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/05/07/lyon-slams-melbournes-mental-fragility/

Schwarz and Lyon may be right but the issues have been present since they were in the red and blue, bit hard for them to pass judgement when they were susceptible to it as well

1 minute ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Schwarz and Lyon may be right but the issues have been present since they were in the red and blue, bit hard for them to pass judgement when they were susceptible to it as well

A little older, a little wise. I guess they would like their playing careers back again.

Just now, america de cali said:

A little older, a little wise. I guess they would like their playing careers back again.

Wouldn't we all adc

Just now, old dee said:

Wouldn't we all adc

I'll settle for a [censored] load of flags starting this season.

2 minutes ago, america de cali said:

I'll settle for a [censored] load of flags starting this season.

Perhaps 2018 adc. 

I can guarantee you there will be no finals this year let alone a flag.

On 2017-5-8 at 5:26 PM, Rogue said:

Without really playing any better at all we could very easily be five or six wins and sitting in the top two or four on the ladder.

I'm okay with people who think the sky is falling regardless of this fact.

What I have a problem with is that I know a bunch of the 'the sky is falling' crowd would have a different opinion if we were 5-2 or 6-1 on the ladder, even if we'd played very similar footy.

Precisely.

On 2017-5-8 at 5:31 PM, mongrel said:

I saw T-Mac really fumble the ball in close to Hawthorns goal.

Did he make many really bad kicking mistakes yesterday?

Thought his decision making was better.

Kicked into the mark after a free kick in the 2nd

10 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Schwarz and Lyon may be right but the issues have been present since they were in the red and blue, bit hard for them to pass judgement when they were susceptible to it as well

If no one fights for the dignity of this club in the public arena it will die a slow death..

I am still in shock that on the day the club announces we have 40,000 members for the first time ever, the FD decide to turn up at Half time to a club that has smashed us for decades.

 

Only the MFC would do that!!

4 minutes ago, old dee said:

Perhaps 2018 adc. 

I can guarantee you there will be no finals this year let alone a flag.

Everyone is saying this is the closest season for decades. This is an opportunity to jump out of the pack. There is still time.