Welcome to Demonland: Jake Lever

[Redleg 41,467]

4 hours ago, DemonAndrew said:

I just don't rate Brayshaw.

He can't get the ball and when he does get it he turns it over.

Either he improves massively in 2017 or he's trade bait for mine.

Were you one of those that wanted Hunt delisted?

[McQueen 17,867]

No offence to @stevethemanjordan who I rate on this forum but why, oh why, are we discussing potential trades after only 2 rounds of footy have been played? One could be forgiven if it was looking Like 2013 all over again but it ain't.

And those who are suggesting trading Brayshaw need to take a good hard look at themselves in the mirror and then head butt it.

[whatwhat say what 22,948]

55 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Were you one of those that wanted Hunt delisted?

no, i don't "want" anyone delisted - i want them all to succeed.

but i'm cognizant of the fact that, at the moment, brayshaw is tracking no better than toumpas as a player.

i would love it if he could become a valuable contributor to the side, but at the moment is averaging less than 15 disposals a game at 68% efficiency across 33 games. it's not good enough, just as toumpas' average of less than 15 disposals a game at 74% efficiency across 35 games is similarly not good enough for a modern footballer be they a midfielder or a push-up half forward.

if brayshaw was what we had to give up to get a lever in, i'd do the deal in a heartbeat.

Edited April 5, 2017 by DemonAndrew

[DubDee 26,123]

4 minutes ago, DemonAndrew said:

no, i don't "want" anyone delisted - i want them all to succeed.

but i'm cognizant of the fact that, at the moment, brayshaw is tracking no better than toumpas as a player.

i would love it if he could become a valuable contributor to the side, but at the moment is averaging less than 15 disposals a game at 68% efficiency across 33 games. it's not good enough, just as toumpas' average of less than 15 disposals a game at 74% efficiency across 35 games is similarly not good enough for a modern football be they a midfielder or a push-up half forward.

if brayshaw was what we had to give up to get a lever in, i'd do the deal in a heartbeat.

Dig up, not down!  ;-)

c'mon man youre losing all credibility now. Brayshaw was third in the rising start in 2015 from memory, had a cracking year.  he'll be back

[whatwhat say what 22,948]

i really hope so.

he's stopped developing at this stage imo.

[mo64 5,881]

2 minutes ago, McQueen said:

No offence to @stevethemanjordan who I rate on this forum but why, oh why, are we discussing potential trades after only 2 rounds of footy have been played? One could be forgiven if it was looking Like 2013 all over again but it ain't.

And those who are suggesting trading Brayshaw need to take a good hard look at themselves in the mirror and then head butt it.

Steve, It's fair to say that clubs have started sowing the seeds for potential trade acquisitions. Lever does address a need, regardless of how the season pans out, and now is time to get into his ear. Convincing the player is 99% of the battle,  because history will tell you that 99% of of uncontracted players will end up at their preferred destination. 

Suggesting trade scenarios is a pointless excercise at this time because we don't know what currency either party will have by the end of the season. Having said that, I'd trade like for like:

Lever => Lumumba and Garland 

[DubDee 26,123]

8 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Crows wanted Gibbs, still might want him. Could do a three way deal with Carlton and Adelaide.

Crows get Gibbs

Dees get Lever

Blues get our pick 15

 

Perfect!!!

[Jaded No More 68,974]

So we all agree Lever is a gun but then we don't want to give up a good player for him in return?

Brayshaw for Lever is a fair trade until sentiments get involved 

Edited April 5, 2017 by Jaded

[old55 23,705]

I don't see the glaring need - TMac, Omac, Frost, Hibberd - we could groom Keilty back there too but we're choosing to groom him fwd-ruck - there's a message there.

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

@McQueen - Because I saw the article floating around and thought I'd share it as a point of discussion. 

 

I too think offering up Brayshaw is going a bit far.

There's a whole lot of untapped potential there, although I do think many demonanders believe him to be something that he's not; that being a classy and skilled user of the footy. Gussy will be part of a top five most important players in a couple of years, I'm sure of it. His attack on the ball, man and ability to mark above his head are his strengths. He is dual sided, but definitely not in the Mitchell league. It's an area he needs to clean up though, for sure.

I'm sure most are aware of the fact that we'll need to keep as much of our core together as possible to have a shot at the flag. Our core being Hogan, Weeds, Viney, Salem, Petracca, Oliver, Brayshaw, Hunt, Stretch etc. So if we were going to go after Lever, we'd be offering a fringe player and some future picks including a first rounder.

Anyway, too early to speculate but he's definitely a player I'd love at the club. I heard Mahoney saying not long ago that we have saved coin to lure someone at the right time and when I look at our list, I believe we're another quality tall defender short and perhaps a classy and skilled power running mid short.

Edited July 7, 2017 by stevethemanjordan

[Redleg 41,467]

4 minutes ago, DemonAndrew said:

i really hope so.

he's stopped developing at this stage imo.

Averaged 12.7 disposals first year and that rose to 17.6 in a year with concussion issues last year and then 21 in round 1. 

Bit rough to compare him to Toumpas and to state he has stopped developing.

[Redleg 41,467]

7 minutes ago, DubDee said:

Crows get Gibbs

Dees get Lever

Blues get our pick 15

 

Perfect!!!

Especially since Blues knocked  back Crows  first and second round picks last year .

Dreaming!

[Gator 17,477]

1 hour ago, Redleg said:

Were you one of those that wanted Hunt delisted?

He didn't answer the question, Your Honour.

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,510]

31 minutes ago, DubDee said:

Crows get Gibbs

Dees get Lever

Blues get our pick 15

 

Perfect!!!

I think if this was suggested, they'd just cut us out of the deal.

Lever for Gibbs.

[rpfc 28,779]

Brayshaw has the potential to be an A grade mid - they don't grow on trees.

i hate it when people say - 'we can find a mid anywhere'...

You won't stumble across a rolls Royce often and mids win flags.

[Redleg 41,467]

20 minutes ago, ProDee said:

He didn't answer the question, Your Honour.

Duly noted.

[mo64 5,881]

17 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

I think if this was suggested, they'd just cut us out of the deal.

Lever for Gibbs.

That's only if Lever nominates Carlton as his preferred destination. Plus the Blues seem to be well stocked with young key backs, such as Marchbank and Plowman. They need quality mids more than anything.

[Redleg 41,467]

If this is correct we don't need to get too excited.

" Early in 2017, the out-of-contract Lever indicated he planned on signing another contract with the Crows, remaining in Adelaide despite his Victorian roots."

[whatwhat say what 22,948]

1 minute ago, Redleg said:

Duly noted.

actually, i did.

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,510]

52 minutes ago, mo64 said:

That's only if Lever nominates Carlton as his preferred destination. Plus the Blues seem to be well stocked with young key backs, such as Marchbank and Plowman. They need quality mids more than anything.

You're being very generous to Plowman, but I take your meaning.

[Gator 17,477]

1 hour ago, DemonAndrew said:

actually, i did.

Did you "call" for Hunt's delisting ?

[whatwhat say what 22,948]

10 minutes ago, ProDee said:

Did you "call" for Hunt's delisting ?

nup. not calling for brayshaw's trading either; just that as a clearly highly-rated player he may have value.

[Return to Glory 8,448]

11 hours ago, Salems Lot said:

To get something you have to give something

This is not the forum to talk about your sexual history SL. Stay on topic. Moderators?

Edited April 5, 2017 by Return to Glory

[demoniac 1,336]

2 hours ago, Fifty-5 said:

I don't see the glaring need - TMac, Omac, Frost, Hibberd - we could groom Keilty back there too but we're choosing to groom him fwd-ruck - there's a message there.

The first 3 are hardly composed or reliable with ball in hand. Keilty is an unknown quantity at AFL level. 

Lever would be a great acquisition if he were open to a move to the Dees and the deal could be done. Asking price would be steep no doubt.

[Ethan Tremblay 30,970]

I think our midfield and its depth is being massively overrated if posters think we can afford to trade Brayshaw.