11 hours ago, DavidNeitz9 said:

Hope you are wrong, 29 yo list clogger who played 10 games. One of the first i would delist

I think that if continues to improve his disposal, he will stay. 

Praha,if Spencer wants to seek opportunities elsewhere,we shouldn't stand in his way.Regarding contracts Cloke for example has another year to run,but I bet my bottom dollar he is playing elsewhere,there are many many examples where players have been traded whilst under contract. A player can walk once his contract is up,the club still gets a draft.

11 hours ago, DavidNeitz9 said:

Hope you are wrong, 29 yo list clogger who played 10 games. One of the first i would delist

"List cloggers" don't play 10 games.

 

Delist: Newton, Terlich, Dawes, Lumumba (or "retire", call it what you like), White (R), King (R), Michie (R). If we need another to go, Matt Jones will suffice.

Keep Wagner on the rookie list for another year, as he will be depth at best if they bring Hibberd in.

Offer up Kennedy-Harris, Neal-Bullen, and one of Dunn / Garland for peanuts. Look to put JKH on the rookie list if he stays.

I will happily keep Grimes, but suspect he will seek opportunities elsewhere. I will happily keep Pedersen as well.

14 hours ago, DavidNeitz9 said:

Hope you are wrong, 29 yo list clogger who played 10 games. One of the first i would delist

He would have played more than 10 games if he wasn't injured. Goody likes him so he's pretty safe 

I'd be glad to see the end of Dawes and Lamumba. Newton, Michie, Terlich  and Grimes the others.

I've said it previously, but I don't see Wagner being promoted to the main list as a certainty. He deserves to be but the recruiting and list managing system we work under encourages the club to keep him as a rookie who is immediately promoted at Round 1. That gives us more flexibility at the draft. I don't like it, but we have to use the system to our best advantage. 

6 hours ago, stuie said:

"List cloggers" don't play 10 games.

 

Evidently they do.

Just now, Mach5 said:

Evidently they do.

No sure you understand what the term means then...

 

1 minute ago, stuie said:

No sure you understand what the term means then...

 

Or maybe... you don't.

3 minutes ago, Mach5 said:

Or maybe... you don't.

Played 10 games = definition of NOT a list clogger.

 

Just curious... are we delaying an annoucement because Casey are still playing?  Several non-finals teams have gone public on who they've cut but no news from the Dees.

18 minutes ago, Gandalf46 said:

Just curious... are we delaying an annoucement because Casey are still playing?  Several non-finals teams have gone public on who they've cut but no news from the Dees.

Most likely. Also B & F is still to happen. 

5 hours ago, stuie said:

Played 10 games = definition of NOT a list clogger.

 

10 games of awful turnovers and rubbish kicks across goals .. He can go. 

17 minutes ago, Leoncelli_36 said:

10 games of awful turnovers and rubbish kicks across goals .. He can go. 

You know it's the off season when you see this rubbish

Tell me one game..One passage of play you can recall from this year that Matt Jones influenced. ..go on

15 hours ago, stuie said:

Played 10 games = definition of NOT a list clogger.

 

Says who?

A lot of calls to promote Wagner in this thread.  Personally I would be in no hurry to do this - he's a first year rookie playing in a position where spots might be tight next year with Melksham, possibly Hibberd etc being added to the mix.  While he played most of the season, he didn't get to the "automatic selection" level that we saw vandenBerg get to the year before, and I don't think it gets any easier for him to get a game next year.

Wagner has had a promising first season, but he's by no means a certain thing yet.  He gets his second year on the rookie list for mine and no more.  

22 hours ago, stuie said:

"List cloggers" don't play 10 games.

Dawes played 6 & Lumumba 5 games, do they qualify ? All 3 are cloggers, All Matt Jones provides is pace & turnovers, time to go.

22 hours ago, poita said:

Delist: Newton, Terlich, Dawes, Lumumba (or "retire", call it what you like), White (R), King (R), Michie (R). If we need another to go, Matt Jones will suffice.

Offer up Kennedy-Harris, Neal-Bullen, and one of Dunn / Garland for peanuts.

Any ideas how we'd replace 11 players (a quarter of our list) and what with? Our list no longer needs surgery that radical.

Delist: Dawes, Grimes, Newton, Terlich, White(R), King(R), Michie(R)
1 year contract: Jones M, Pedersen
Rookie retain: Wagner, Smith

Trade in Hibberd for second round pick.

With 4 senior delistings, no rookie promotions and Hibberd traded in we'll have three spots, so expected picks will be Pick 44, 62, 80 (or thereabouts).  I'm no Matt Jones lover but I don't see the value in delisting him for pick 96; I expect he will still have a role to play in our 2017 season.  If he doesn't it will mean we have improved more than incrementally, or we've had another dream run with injuries.

You could debate a case for any of the three rookies, particularly King with the big men take time argument plus the fact that he occasionally slows glimpses, but I have all three gone (pending Redleg's signature ;)).  I don't see Michie or White offering anything that couldn't easily be found elsewhere.

I'd love to see us somehow trade back in to the second round, but I can't see what we have that would make that happen now without giving up something we'd want to keep.  Would also entertain offers for players such as JKH or ANB who may be interested in a move, but I doubt we'd get a lot in return.

First time in a long time that we won't be a player in the pointy end of the draft.  

Matt Jones is no longer a list clogger. After 2015 he went away, worked on his fitness and skills, and came back in an impressive condition. From memory, he played round 1 this season. His kicking has improved, his game awareness has improved, and he does one thing well that Roos loves - he plays the role assigned to him. He is another one, just like Jetta, who has improved out of sight under our new player-development emphasis.

I don't see him as best 22, and younger players will overtake him easily, but I would not be letting him go while we have a handful of players who definitely offer us nothing.

3 hours ago, Mach5 said:

Says who?

Well you'd say the definition of a list clogger is someone who's taking a spot on the list but not using it right?

Jones played nearly half the games. Pretty simple to understand that means he's not clogging up a spot but actually using it.

 

On 9/2/2016 at 11:02 AM, poita said:

Delist: Newton, Terlich, Dawes, Lumumba (or "retire", call it what you like), White (R), King (R), Michie (R). If we need another to go, Matt Jones will suffice.

Keep Wagner on the rookie list for another year, as he will be depth at best if they bring Hibberd in.

Offer up Kennedy-Harris, Neal-Bullen, and one of Dunn / Garland for peanuts. Look to put JKH on the rookie list if he stays.

I will happily keep Grimes, but suspect he will seek opportunities elsewhere. I will happily keep Pedersen as well.

If we get rid of all the players you've suggested, we'll have picks 44, 61, 78, 95, 112, 129, 146, as well as 163 if you decide we need another and delist Matt Jones.  Top plan mate.

The contracted JKH, ANB and Dunn/Garland and possibly Lumumba are next year's delistings if they don't get going.  You need to churn your list every year, it's just a fact of life that you can't get rid of all your players at once.

2 hours ago, DavidNeitz9 said:

Dawes played 6 & Lumumba 5 games, do they qualify ? All 3 are cloggers, All Matt Jones provides is pace & turnovers, time to go.

Yeah and Salem, Weed, Pedo, Garland, Brayshaw, Trengove, ANB, JKH etc all played 10 games or less.

All list cloggers?