North's old forward line - 

Harvey - 38 years, 21 games this year

Petrie - 33 years, 21 games

Waite - 33 years, 14 games

Thomas - 28 yeas, 20 games

North's old midfield -

Dal Santo - 32 years, 20 games this year

Goldstein - 28 years, 20 games

Wells - 31 years, 17 games

Gibson - 30 years, 21 games

Swallow - 29 years, 20 games

Higgins - 28 years, 7 games

North's old defence -

Firrito - 32 years, 20 games this year

Thompson - 30 years, 19 games

 

With 22x22 'player-games' in a season and one round to go, those players aged over 28 at North have played 220 out of a team total of 462. 

Not even mentioning Hanse, Nahas, or Ray. If you throw them in as loose change, then more than half North's fielded team has been 28 or older this season.

Meanwhile, Ben Brown might be the only player under 25 in North's B&F top 10.

 

In summary - 

 

 

 

 

 

16 minutes ago, tilly18 said:

Would you use a spot on the list for Harvey next year or use that spot to try and find another Jayden Hunt?

Have you seen the state of our list? Full of list cloggers, finding a spot for him is not an issue.

11 minutes ago, AngryAtCasey said:

Or a Max King?

Goes both ways.

I don't think it does.

You know what you are getting with Harvey. 2 years at very best.

A speculative draft pick can bring a Jayden Hunt.

Max King was a speculative pick that has not worked out at this stage.

Any list changes that occur must be based on developing a list that can win a premiership. I just cant see any other way of thinking.

Bigger picture dictates we recruit players to win a premiership, That is not Harvey or any of the other 3 as I see it.

3 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

North's old forward line - 

Harvey - 38 years, 21 games this year

Petrie - 33 years, 21 games

Waite - 33 years, 14 games

Thomas - 28 yeas, 20 games

North's old midfield -

Dal Santo - 32 years, 20 games this year

Goldstein - 28 years, 20 games

Wells - 31 years, 17 games

Gibson - 30 years, 21 games

Swallow - 29 years, 20 games

Higgins - 28 years, 7 games

North's old defence -

Firrito - 32 years, 20 games this year

Thompson - 30 years, 19 games

 

With 22x22 'player-games' in a season and one round to go, those players aged over 28 at North have played 220 out of a team total of 462. 

Not even mentioning Hanse, Nahas, or Ray. If you throw them in as loose change, then more than half North's fielded team has been 28 or older this season.

Meanwhile, Ben Brown might be the only player under 25 in North's B&F top 10.

 

In summary - 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Another 2+ years if watching lindsey Thomas? Bugger

2 minutes ago, tilly18 said:

I don't think it does.

You know what you are getting with Harvey. 2 years at very best.

A speculative draft pick can bring a Jayden Hunt.

Max King was a speculative pick that has not worked out at this stage.

Any list changes that occur must be based on developing a list that can win a premiership. I just cant see any other way of thinking.

Bigger picture dictates we recruit players to win a premiership, That is not Harvey or any of the other 3 as I see it.

Give me Harvey over Garlett in a final any day of the week.

5 minutes ago, tilly18 said:

 

Any list changes that occur must be based on developing a list that can win a premiership. I just cant see any other way of thinking.

Bigger picture dictates we recruit players to win a premiership, That is not Harvey or any of the other 3 as I see it.

We agree with eachother above.

My argument would be that just because Harvey may not play in our next premiership team, doesn't mean he may not help shape it.

M. Jones, Terlich, Michie, Max King, Dawes, Pedersen, Newton, Grimes. That's 8 players that could well be gone next year befors you even consider Trengove or trading out a JKH, Dunn or Garland. Finding a spot for him on the list while still bringing in youth should be a non issue.

Most clubs play 2 small forwards now. Our main 2 are Garlett and Kent. Harvey would make Kent, Kennedy, JKH work all the more harder and could teach those kids a lot on only 12 months.

5 minutes ago, Watts the matter said:

Give me Harvey over Garlett in a final any day of the week.

I don't have an argument with that. Not many would.

So if Harvey joined Melbourne next year how many finals games do you see him playing in red and blue?

18 minutes ago, AngryAtCasey said:

We agree with eachother above.

My argument would be that just because Harvey may not play in our next premiership team, doesn't mean he may not help shape it.

M. Jones, Terlich, Michie, Max King, Dawes, Pedersen, Newton, Grimes. That's 8 players that could well be gone next year befors you even consider Trengove or trading out a JKH, Dunn or Garland. Finding a spot for him on the list while still bringing in youth should be a non issue.

Most clubs play 2 small forwards now. Our main 2 are Garlett and Kent. Harvey would make Kent, Kennedy, JKH work all the more harder and could teach those kids a lot on only 12 months.

I just don't think the club will recruit any players with probably one season to offer.

Cross worked well because of where our list was at the time and the  impact he had on culture and preparation.

Boomer was a perfect fit for Essendon this year, no way known us next year.

 

I'm surprised that they are cutting them. North have invested heavily in experience to try to pinch a premiership. 

Personally, I would have thought that, given that they have invested so heavily in experience then they would have held on to them while they are still being productive. They have already mortgaged their future, so why wouldn't they see it through when the premiership race is as open as it has been for a long time?

They made the mistake 2 or 3 years ago when they misjudged their list. But there really isn't much to be lost going for an extra year, because the downside isn't very high (relatively .... they're screwed at some point, be it next year or the year after).

1 hour ago, tilly18 said:

Would you use a spot on the list for Harvey next year or use that spot to try and find another Jayden Hunt?

We can do both, it's not an either/or proposition.

I agree 100% with the direction of the club and the need for a clean out, but i have an issue with how this has been handled, surely it could have been done privately, allowing some or all of these guys to announce their retirement and we'd be discussing the great careers they've had and their final games in Melbourne rather than the questionable cutting of older players.

58 minutes ago, tilly18 said:

I don't think it does.

You know what you are getting with Harvey. 2 years at very best.

A speculative draft pick can bring a Jayden Hunt.

Max King was a speculative pick that has not worked out at this stage.

Any list changes that occur must be based on developing a list that can win a premiership. I just cant see any other way of thinking.

Bigger picture dictates we recruit players to win a premiership, That is not Harvey or any of the other 3 as I see it.

Would you rather Harvey or Lumumba?

15 minutes ago, Abe said:

I agree 100% with the direction of the club and the need for a clean out, but i have an issue with how this has been handled, surely it could have been done privately, allowing some or all of these guys to announce their retirement and we'd be discussing the great careers they've had and their final games in Melbourne rather than the questionable cutting of older players.

But that would be untruthful. I don't know if any of them were planning to retire, perhaps only Petrie and Firrito

On 8/24/2016 at 6:57 PM, Je Roos Salem said:

But that would be untruthful. I don't know if any of them were planning to retire, perhaps only Petrie and Firrito

So? heaps of players would announce their retirement and it would be celebrated on the back of not being offered a contract, this just looks bad and messy in my opinion, if they wanted to explore other options they could have said nothing publicly and if they wanted to retire they could have, we'd have never known if not for the statement.

20 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Would you rather Harvey or Lumumba?

Neither are likely to be on our list next year. We're moving forwards, not backwards.

 

Gee they planned that one well.

Saints are going to have to do a similar thing.

Hawks too.

 

20 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

We can do both, it's not an either/or proposition.

Do you really think that.

Do you think we have progressed that far ahead of North Melbourne where we can pick up one of their discards.

I don't think we have.

 

Given his form, i reckon they'd be silly not to consider a decent offer if it was made for Andrew Swallow. 

4 hours ago, Redleg said:

May have another year of contract left.

Need the insurance for their forward line, Petrie and Waite would be a big hit together and Waite was in much better form before injury. Give him one more season to get his body right

24 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Would you rather Harvey or Lumumba?

If Lumumba can get himself right he will be pushing for a spot when Harvey has long gone after topping his super up with us.

13 minutes ago, stuie said:

Neither are likely to be on our list next year. We're moving forwards, not backwards.

 

So Stuie, in your opinion, did GWS make a mistake in signing Steve Johnson?

2 minutes ago, Deespicable said:

So Stuie, in your opinion, did GWS make a mistake in signing Steve Johnson?

We're not GWS, and Harvey isn't Stevie J.

 

1 hour ago, Watts the matter said:

Give me Harvey over Garlett in a final any day of the week.

Personally I think we really missed Jeffy G in the weekend. Think he'll go very well and win us some finals off his own boot before he is done.

36 minutes ago, Biffen said:

Gee they planned that one well.

Saints are going to have to do a similar thing.

Hawks too.

 

They are all going around again at Hawks next year too. Hodge, Gibbo, Burgoyne, Mitchell and Lewis... Big big cliff is coming.

The other 3 I can understand but there are players who you need to treat with higher respect when going through these decisions. The way we handled Junior Mac taught us that lesson.

Harvey is a [censored], and at times a borderline cheat, but he is still a very valuable player and I would say in their top 5 currently. His age shouldn't have much of a bearing on the decision, if he's still playing at a higher level than a younger player that can immediately fill his shoes than I would think he'd have a place on their list. The talk around him continues to centre on him "taking the place" of a younger player. If Melbourne and Carlton have taught the competition anything it's there is a huge value in having experience out on the field to guide the young players and force them to play at a higher standard to get into the team. Gifting spots gets them nowhere.

There is also the baffling decision to do this now. Was they're thinking to get this over and done with before the finals? Just seems really bizarre. 

I hate North and I hope this decision rips the heart out of the club!