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13 minutes ago, stuie said:

 

I would have thought that answered the question?

I was talking generally when talking about players going back to the VFL, I don't think Hogan should be dropped this week, but I also think that should he need to go back to the VFL to work on things at some stage it's not as big a deal as some here seem to want to make it to be.

 

The Dogs have a different attitude. They have dropped Stringer back to the VFL.

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    On 8/19/2016 at 4:57 PM, stuie said:

     

    I would have thought that answered the question?

    I was talking generally when talking about players going back to the VFL, I don't think Hogan should be dropped this week, but I also think that should he need to go back to the VFL to work on things at some stage it's not as big a deal as some here seem to want to make it to be.

     

    I definitely think over the pre season the club should get someone to come in and just work on his goal kicking, get that right and Hogan becomes a much better player, he missed 2-3 very easy shots again on the weekend and that's been the difference between 40 goals and maybe 55-60 and being right up the top of the coleman medal tally, and probably us in the 8 

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    Clearly the answer is for Roos to approach Bolton and ask him (nicely of course) not to double-team Hogan.

    That way, if he spends the day one-out against a defender, we can all find out if he is genuinely out of form or just overwhelmed by the opposition.

    (Just saw that Weideman is in so maybe Hogan will be playing CHF)

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    30 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

    Pedo can crash packs for about half the price binman.

    One event does not maketh a forward. He isnt hitting/crashing packs the way he was last season or earlier this season mate.

    He looks a diff player at the moment. 

    Probably a lock this week but he has much work to do over summer if he wants to take the next step

    'One event does not maketh a forward' Huh?

    I used the Kent goal an an example. There are many others i could have chosen. Of course Pedo can and does crash the packs but it is not either or. You need a minimum of two big players crashing packs (Dawes and Hogan or Hogan and Pedo). Again as Viney notes it is about structure. Take one of the bigs away and the structure suffers. 

    Agianst the hawks Weed still competed so was the second big, but given he is relatively small Gawn played forward quite a bit to provide that player who brings the ball to ground.

    But all that aside Hogan is a gun. Yes he has been down in the last month but he has still contributed. You don't drop guns unless they are not contributing at all. Honestly who would be surprised if he came out this week and smashed the blues. Even if he doesn't Weitering will go to him. Which means he won't be on Watts or Pedo. Happy days for those two.

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    On 8/19/2016 at 5:26 PM, rjay said:

    Weideman, Michie & ANB in

    Harms, Peders & Garlett out...

    One last look at Michie, playing for his AFL career

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    6 minutes ago, rjay said:

    Weideman, Michie & ANB in

    Harms, Peders & Garlett out...

    Garlett the only one i can see there if injured. Otherwisd no changes

    1 minute ago, Abe said:

    One last look at Michie, playing for his AFL career

    Nah

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    2 minutes ago, Abe said:

    One last look at Michie, playing for his AFL career

    If he plays well it will mean a tough decision end of the year. We are struggling for spuds to delist 

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    Neal-Bullen to take Garlett's forward role and Michie for Harmes.

    Looks like Roosy gets "group think" too.

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    13 minutes ago, binman said:

    'One event not maketh a forward' Huh?

    I used the Kent goal an an example. There are many others i could have chosen. Of course Pedo can and does crash the packs but it is not either or. You need a minimum of two big players crashing packs (Dawes and Hogan or Hogan and Pedo). Again as Viney notes it is about structure. Take one of the bigs away and the structure suffers. 

    Agianst the hawks Weed still competed so was the second big, but given he is relatively small Gawn played forward quite a bit to provide that player who brings the ball to ground.

    But all that aside Hogan is a gun. Yes he has been down in the last month but he has still contributed. You don't drop guns unless they are not contributing at all. Honestly who would be surprised if he came out this week and smashed the blues. Even if he doesn't Weitering will go to him. Which means he won't be on Watts or Pedo. Happy days for those two.

    He might become a gun agreed Bin , but he isnt there just yet.

    I never said anywhere in any post that he should be dropped this week. We already have enough Satys mis quoting or twisting ppls comments and views around Bin :lol:

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    1 minute ago, Rusty Nails said:

    He might become a gun agreed Bin , but he isnt there just yet.

    I never said anywhere in any post that he should be dropped this week. We already have enough Satys mis quoting or twisting ppls comments and views around Bin :lol:

    I agree he isn't there yet. Of course he isn't. He's a kid. Apologies if i implied you suggested he should be dropped. 

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    18 minutes ago, ProDee said:

    Neal-Bullen to take Garlett's forward role and Michie for Harmes.

    Looks like Roosy gets "group think" too.

    Not trying to be disingenuous but what's your point with this post?

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    7 hours ago, Vogon Poetry said:

    Amazing how fans can turn on their favourite player after a few games below his best.

    A young player in his second season playing the hardest position on the ground against the oppositions best defender, often drawing a second player, now becomes the target because the punters are disappointed.  Yes, he's missed a few goals - go look at Gunston against us - yes he's still learning and yes his body language is not ideal but those close to him say it's his disappointment in himself, not his team mates, that this reflects.  Look at the replay last week and the thumbs up to players who looked for him and he failed to mark.

    The kids a gun, the punters are sadly misguided and calls for his demotion laughable.

    What's amazing is that you selectively edited my post to remove context and then failed to realise that the rest of what I wrote largely sums up what you were saying.

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    20 minutes ago, binman said:

    I agree he isn't there yet. Of course he isn't. He's a kid. Apologies if i implied you suggested he should be dropped. 

    All good mate. If there was a game he's going to find some form in it's surely this week against the lowley Blue baggers.

    Thr naming of Weids is a clever one by the FD IMO and shld work in putting Hulk and Weids on notice that solid efforts and decent performance will be rewarded.

    List is being beautifully managed of late

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    16 minutes ago, binman said:

    Not trying to be disingenuous but what's your point with this post?

    A couple of days ago Nasher was lamenting the typical "group think" on Demonland, because some were suggesting Harmes be dropped.

    Timing didn't work out well for old mate Nash this week. 

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    10 minutes ago, ProDee said:

    A couple of days ago Nasher was lamenting the typical "group think" on Demonland, because some were suggesting Harmes be dropped.

    Timing didn't work out well for old mate Nash this week. 

    Oh, ok. Thanks for clarifying.

    I avoid commenting on which players might get dropped, one because i don't like bagging players (though understand suggesting players get dropped does not by definition mean bagging them) but mainly because i rarely get it right. 

    But without being smart after the fact i reckon it is a fair enough call to drop Harmes. I watched the replay and whilst you can't knock his endevour his ability to consistently hit targets is a concern when playing on the HB.

    I heard an interview where he said it was an area he needed to work on and i have real confidence he will improve this aspect of his game. In some ways he reminds me of a young Nathan Jones in terms of his attack on the ball, his team first ethos but also in his desire to improve.

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    2 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

    Bring back Chris Dawes! He's our answer!

    If he is the answer, then what the hell is the question?

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    1 minute ago, Uncle Fester said:

    If he is the answer, then what the hell is the question?

    "Who drives me to drink after every one of his games?"

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    1 minute ago, Uncle Fester said:

    If he is the answer, then what the hell is the question?

    Classic.

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    20 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

    What's amazing is that you selectively edited my post to remove context and then failed to realise that the rest of what I wrote largely sums up what you were saying.

    I was quoting you saying "others".  I was actually posting in support of your view. 

    I agree it was ambiguous. 

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    Just now, Vogon Poetry said:

    I was quoting you saying "others".  I was actually posting in support of your view. 

    I agree it was ambiguous. 

    Apologies. I took your post the wrong way mate.

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