Jump to content

Discussion on recent allegations about the use of illicit drugs in football is forbidden
  • IMPORTANT: PLEASE READ BEFORE POSTING

    Posting unsubstantiated rumours on this website is strictly forbidden.

    Demonland has made the difficult decision to not permit this platform to be used to discuss & debate the off-field issues relating to the Melbourne Football Club including matters currently being litigated between the Club & former Board members, board elections, the issue of illicit drugs in footy, the culture at the club & the personal issues & allegations against some of our players & officials ...

    We do not take these issues & this decision lightly & of course we believe that these serious matters affecting the club we love & are so passionate about are worthy of discussion & debate & I wish we could provide a place where these matters can be discussed in a civil & respectful manner.

    However these discussions unfortunately invariably devolve into areas that may be defamatory, libelous, spread unsubstantiated rumours & can effect the mental health of those involved. Even discussion & debate of known facts or media reports can lead to finger pointing, blame & personal attacks.

    The repercussion is that these discussions can open this website, it’s owners & it’s users to legal action & may result in this website being forced to shutdown.

    Our moderating team are all volunteers & cannot moderate the forum 24/7 & as a consequence problematic content that contravenes our rules & standards may go unnoticed for some time before it can be removed.

    We reserve the right to delete posts that offend against our above policy & indeed, to ban posters who are repeat offenders or who breach our code of conduct.

    WE HAVE BUILT A FANTASTIC ONLINE COMMUNITY AT DEMONLAND OVER THE PAST 23 YEARS & WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS THE CLUB WE LOVE & ARE SO PASSIONATE ABOUT.

    Thank you for your continued support & understanding. Go Dees.



Recommended Posts

Having watched the full replay, I'd say Michie and Stretch are the two frontrunners to make way for whoever is right to come back in.

If Salem's ready, I'd put him straight back for Michie. it's hard on Viv for him to keep coming in and going straight out of the side but he got his chance and, unfortunately, didn't take it. Still fumbled, didn't get enough of the ball on a night where it was relatively easy to come by. Harsh, but not his night and Salem takes his spot directly.

Stretch would be the next one out IMO, didn't have much impact at all, but it depends on who is fit to take his spot. Dunn might come in to get extra height down back but not sure that's an ideal swap.

10 hours ago, DubDee said:

I don't think we can keep saying we are a better team than St Kilda when they keep beating us

I have thought we are far superior than them over the past 2 years but the evidence has finally convinced me they are slightly ahead of us right now.  I am still very confident we have the better/younger list and will be much better than them very soon

What evidence?

4-3 with a percentage of 112.7% compared to 2-5 with a percentage of 88.8%.

We've both beaten Collingwood and gotten close to North, but we played North at Blundstone (never played there before) whilst they got them at Etihad.

We beat GWS, they didn't get close to GWS. Yes, they beat us, but overall I fail to see how the evidence overall establishes they are ahead of us. 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

48 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

Having watched the full replay, I'd say Michie and Stretch are the two frontrunners to make way for whoever is right to come back in.

If Salem's ready, I'd put him straight back for Michie. it's hard on Viv for him to keep coming in and going straight out of the side but he got his chance and, unfortunately, didn't take it. Still fumbled, didn't get enough of the ball on a night where it was relatively easy to come by. Harsh, but not his night and Salem takes his spot directly.

Stretch would be the next one out IMO, didn't have much impact at all, but it depends on who is fit to take his spot. Dunn might come in to get extra height down back but not sure that's an ideal swap.

What evidence?

4-3 with a percentage of 112.7% compared to 2-5 with a percentage of 88.8%.

We've both beaten Collingwood and gotten close to North, but we played North at Blundstone (never played there before) whilst they got them at Etihad.

We beat GWS, they didn't get close to GWS. Yes, they beat us, but overall I fail to see how the evidence overall establishes they are ahead of us. 

we have played 5 great games and 2 terrible ones - the Saints got us on one of our terrible ones, otherwise it wouldn't even be a discussion

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Being a Sunday game I cannot see anyone being dropped when the team is named tomorrow. The three to be added to the bench will be ANB, Frost and Terlich in my opinion. I would like to see ANB get a run but it will be a hard thing to drop any of last weeks team. With players like Hunt, Wagner, Stretch we have a lot of speed and run. Loved the places Wagner ran to in transistion to provide a let out link  players running through the corridor. 

Garlett, Kent, Kennedy and Harmes provide speed and run in the forward zone and all players realise the responsibility for,defence starts as soon as the opposition gets the ball no matter where on the ground it is. 

Every player that gets in the team should know that they will get at least two games to,show what they have. They all know that there are good form players at Casey that are looking for a chance to step,up and that the quality of the team will not suffer with the players coming in. Love the pressure that this generates. We have quality running around on each line of the Casey team. 

 

Dunn, Frost and OMac can all cover key defensive positions. Terlich, White and Grimes rounding out a reasonable back 6. Forwards are well covered with Dawes, Hulett, Weed and Max King add in the midfield/forward rotations of AvB, Trengove, Newton and Matt Jones. 

I like the position we are in at the moment and the way Casey are training and playing compliments the senior team style. 

I believe that the style of defensive playing I'll need to evolve to counter the way midfield  sand forwards,are,playing and moving the ball. I think this has driven the emergence of players like Jetta, Hunt and Wagner. They need speed, flexibility and a quick mind to cover the attacking players as they spread into attack in transistion. One thing we could do better all over the ground is to trust our team mates to,do what they need to. So many times I have seen a player leave their player to assist in a tackle which leaves a player free to receive that trust will come.

So started on team selection and ended up on more expanded thoughts on team structure a depth.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

If Hoges and Kent have gone home to wa midweek, it wouldn't surprise me to see them rested this week. Travel interstate twice in a week is draining (I was stuffed Sun afternoon getting back from Gold Coast)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, small but forward said:

If Hoges and Kent have gone home to wa midweek, it wouldn't surprise me to see them rested this week. Travel interstate twice in a week is draining (I was stuffed Sun afternoon getting back from Gold Coast)

Hogan already said that he'll be playing this week.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

18 hours ago, Nasher said:

Most human beings have this thing called empathy.  I know some don't - we all have our shortcomings.

It doesn't mean any of us want to win any less, in case that's what you were wondering.

Interesting.  Thanks.

I have empathy for those suffering a bereavement, losing a job, getting injured, having their house burn down, and even ordinary players who face an uphill battle to retain their place in the team.

But it doesn't override my capacity to be objective when stating an opinion.

And I certainly wouldn't call it being "emotionally invested".  But for some, apparently. "empathy" equals "emotional investment" ?  For me that draws a silly bow.  That said, it seems some see the profundity in your answer that I don't.

Interesting though.  Thanks.

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

21 hours ago, Curry & Beer said:

it obviously helps though, I don't why people resist this concept

Because we couldn't beat Essendon  in a pre-season game with a team full of top-ups and we couldnt beat them in a home and away game with a team full of top ups. We have played a lot of teams over the years where a key opposition player has been out and it hasn't changed the result one bit. Or someone comes in and plays a blinder like Blake fricken Acres. Or someone who is injured like Nick Reiwoldt who delays his leg amputation by one week so he can come and torment the Demon supporters.

Just sayin....

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites


16 hours ago, nutbean said:

I suppose there are degrees. No problem with a player being called fringe.

I'm not sure about being described ordinary or average.

I simply detest a footballer (for any team)  being called a spud.

I don't have a problem with that reference for Zac Dawson...

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, small but forward said:

If Hoges and Kent have gone home to wa midweek, it wouldn't surprise me to see them rested this week. Travel interstate twice in a week is draining (I was stuffed Sun afternoon getting back from Gold Coast)

Unlike you I hope Jesse doesn't have 300 beers after the Melbourne victory........:)

  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, small but forward said:

If Hoges and Kent have gone home to wa midweek, it wouldn't surprise me to see them rested this week. Travel interstate twice in a week is draining (I was stuffed Sun afternoon getting back from Gold Coast)

Think you'll find he flew directly to Perth from the Gold Coast....a longer flight than back to Melbourne but nonetheless a flight he was going to take anyway.  And it's an 8 day turnaround this week.  I think the WA trip will freshen him up.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

36 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

Because we couldn't beat Essendon  in a pre-season game with a team full of top-ups and we couldnt beat them in a home and away game with a team full of top ups. We have played a lot of teams over the years where a key opposition player has been out and it hasn't changed the result one bit. Or someone comes in and plays a blinder like Blake fricken Acres. Or someone who is injured like Nick Reiwoldt who delays his leg amputation by one week so he can come and torment the Demon supporters.

Just sayin....

well presumably we would have been absolutely smashed by the 'proper' Essendon side wouldn't we? That means those 'injured' players being out was the difference between a small loss and a big loss. You prove my point by noting that Riewoldt NOT being out injured basically cost us the game. So it obviously counts for something. Get it?

I can't believe I am having to defend my position 'good opposition players being out injured is helpful for us'. Would you also like me to argue the Earth is not flat? I might need to go away again I reckon

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Copuchas said:

Think you'll find he flew directly to Perth from the Gold Coast....a longer flight than back to Melbourne but nonetheless a flight he was going to take anyway.  And it's an 8 day turnaround this week.  I think the WA trip will freshen him up.

If he ends up stuffed after this additional flying around the country, it might put him off playing for Freo year after next...

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, small but forward said:

If he ends up stuffed after this additional flying around the country, it might put him off playing for Freo year after next...

I'm not sure whether you were totally serious but it's a great point.  There was an article I read recently (perhaps Inside Football) that talked about the toll that getting on a plane every second week has on a players career.  In the history of the WA teams there is only one 300 game player (Pav 0n 340) and he is 100 ahead of McPharlin, Sandilands, Mundy and others.  Pav has visited the airport 152 times in his career to travel to games.  For WCE Cox played 290 games and only three players have played more than McPharlin.  The article concluded that playing for a WA club could cost up to 2 years on a career.

Have MFC been smart in sending Hogan home from Brisbane and then he has to fly to Melbourne?  It would certainly give him a taste of what he'd have to put up with every second week.

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 hours ago, Curry & Beer said:

well presumably we would have been absolutely smashed by the 'proper' Essendon side wouldn't we? That means those 'injured' players being out was the difference between a small loss and a big loss.

Not necessarily. We have a good track record against EFC and would have performed well against a full strength side I reckon. Its entirely possible, in fact correct if you listen to the utterings from the club after the loss, that we took them too easily because they were undermanned. They on the other hand were playing one of the teams that every team thinks they can beat and lifted accordingly.

Similarly with St Kilda. We clearly didn't give any credit to Reiqoldt and let him run around by himself to take 14 marks and kick 3 goals. Maybe the pre-game planning was around how to exploit a vulnerable Nick Reiwoldt rather than treat him as he deserved to be treated.

5% off your mental game can mean a massive difference and we have shown many times that when we are favourites or when an opposition is weakened we typically lose.

Wouldn't have thought I need to explain that to you. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

 

Wouldn't have thought I need to explain that to you. 

well you did have to because it is superstitious rubbish. I'm surprised EFC aren't on top of the ladder given your argument... which seems to be 'getting injured is good because the opposition takes it easy on you and you catch them off guard'. right. Maybe we should deliberately injure max gawn and see how that plays out. We'll have to agree to disagree. I'm not going to waver on suggesting that if Dahlhaus, Bontempelli and Stinger were declared unavailable this week, then our chances of winning the match would increase, not decrease. Call me crazy.

Link to comment
Share on other sites


58 minutes ago, Fat Tony said:

With Lumumba not playing again this week, I think we should (and will) go for Salem for Michie as the only change.

Agree.

One thing that should be said, IMO, is that Dunn should be allowed the odd bad game. We need this bloke down back.

Another thing that should be said, IMO, and for those who have short memories, is that (when he is ready) Trengove is not in our best 22, he is in our best 5.

I think that Kennedy, Grimes and others are (or will be) unlucky. But there are only so many places.

Agree it is a great problem to have.

Nobody takes me up on this, but this season reminds me so much of '87. Emerging team losing games they should win, winning games as underdogs.

If Gawn is on song, and Oliver (somehow for a kid) keeps adding that extra edge to the midfield, we are a strong chance to beat the doggies. They always have to pinch themselves when they get a chance to play at the MCG - (Wow, do we really deserve to be here?)

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 hours ago, Baghdad Bob said:

I'm not sure whether you were totally serious but it's a great point.  There was an article I read recently (perhaps Inside Football) that talked about the toll that getting on a plane every second week has on a players career.  In the history of the WA teams there is only one 300 game player (Pav 0n 340) and he is 100 ahead of McPharlin, Sandilands, Mundy and others.  Pav has visited the airport 152 times in his career to travel to games.  For WCE Cox played 290 games and only three players have played more than McPharlin.  The article concluded that playing for a WA club could cost up to 2 years on a career.

Have MFC been smart in sending Hogan home from Brisbane and then he has to fly to Melbourne?  It would certainly give him a taste of what he'd have to put up with every second week.

Super eloquently made my point, thanks BB!

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Also the more plane trips you have to do the more chances you have of dying in a fiery crash,  all things to consider!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Clint Bizkit said:

I'm spewing.

Why? We didn't look flat or tired, nowhere near as much as we did against St Kilda or Essendon. Today's loss was all about skill, and our lack of it in crucial moments under proper, AFL-grade pressure (i.e. not what we got vs the Suns).

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.
  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Demonland Forums  

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles  

    TRAINING: Friday 19th April 2024

    They are out for a run just as it starts raining. It didn't last long, ended up a reasonable session weather wise.  Light duties, BBB, rehab Farris-White, Melky, Salem and Spargo, all with private trainers. They are all playing soccer, huge amount of noise. 36-40 (difficult to get a count) in the main squad, biggest I've seen it in ages. Choco is barking out the orders. Goody has intense body language as he observes. Bowey in a lime green cap (no contact), and in the sim

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    ICEBREAKER by KC from Casey

    The Casey Demons have broken the ice for season 2024 with a pulsating come-from-behind victory over Port Melbourne in which it took the lead for the first time at the halfway mark of the final quarter. The game played in mild Autumn conditions in neutral territory at Kinetic Park, Frankston, never reached great heights in standard but it proved gripping in character at the end at the Casey Demons overcame the Borough to win by 15 points after trailing badly early in the second half.  P

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Casey Articles

    MAULED by Whispering Jack

    The writing was on the wall from the very first bounce of the football. The big men went up, Max Gawn more often than not, decisively won the ruck hit out and invariably a Brisbane Lions onballer either won the battle on the ground or halved the contest and they went at it repeatedly until they finally won out. Melbourne managed the first goal from Alex Neal-Bullen but after that the visitors shut out every area of Demon presence around the ground except in the ruck duels. It was a mauling.

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports 4

    PREGAME: Rd 07 vs Richmond

    The Demons have a bye next week and have a 13 day break before they return to the MCG on ANZAC Eve to take on the Tigers. Who comes in and who goes out?

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 188

    PODCAST: Rd 05 vs Brisbane

    The Demonland Podcast will air LIVE on Monday, 15th April @ 8:30pm. Join George, Binman & I as we analyse the Demons loss at the MCG against the Lions in the Round 05. You questions and comments are a huge part of our podcast so please post anything you want to ask or say below and we'll give you a shout out on the show. If you would like to leave us a voicemail please call 03 9016 3666 and don't worry no body answers so you don't have to talk to a human. Listen & Chat LIV

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 53

    VOTES: Rd 05 vs Brisbane

    Last week Christian Petracca retook the outright lead in the Demonland Player of the Year Award from Max Gawn, Steven May, Alex Neal-Bullen & Jack Viney. Your votes for the loss against the Lions. 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 44

    POSTGAME: Rd 05 vs Brisbane

    The Demons 4 game winning streak has come to an end after a disappointing loss against the Brisbane Lions at the MCG going down by 22 points. 

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 505

    GAMEDAY: Rd 05 vs Brisbane

    It's Game Day & Demons have a great opportunity to win their fifth game on the trot and go into the bye with 5 wins and one loss when they take on the Brisbane Lions at the MCG on the Thursday night big stage.

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 833

    TRAINING: Wednesday 10th April 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers Kev Martin and Demon Dynasty were once again on hand at this morning's Captain's Run at Gosch's Paddock to bring you their observations from training. KEV MARTIN'S CAPTAIN'S RUN OBSERVATIONS No-one in rehab this morning, a Captain's run, 26 players. Laurie, Tomlinson, Tholstrup, Chandler, Woey, and Kossie are out there. Rehabbers are out now. Marty, McAdam, Melky, Bowey, Sestan. As a guess for in and outs, I would say, out Laurie, Tomlinson, and W

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports
  • Tell a friend

    Love Demonland? Tell a friend!

  • Podcast 

  • Podcast 

  • Podcast Stream 


    Open Stream in
    New Window
        TuneIn    Opens in New Tab
  • Support Demonland  



  • 2021 Premiership  

  • Social Media 

  • Non MFC Games  

    NON-MFC: Round 06

    Discussion of all the other games that don't involve the Demons in Round 06 ... READ MORE

    Demonland | Round 06

  • Training  

    Friday, 19th April 2024

    Veteran Demonland Trackwatcher Kev Martin headed down to Gosch's Paddock today to bring you his observations from training ... READ MORE

    Demonland | April 19

  • Latest Podcast      

    PODCAST: Rd 05 vs Brisbane

    The boys dissected the disappointing loss to Brisbane rueing our poor work at the stoppages, debated the role that fatigue played and lamenting the loss of Christian Salem ... LISTEN

    Demonland | April 16

  • PreGame      

    PREGAME: Rd 06 vs Richmond

    The Demons have a bye next week and have a 13 day break before they return to the MCG on ANZAC Eve to take on the Tigers. Who comes in and who goes out? ...READ MORE

    Demonland | April 16

  • Casey Report      

    ICE BREAKER by KC from Casey

    The Casey Demons have broken the ice for season 2024 with a pulsating come-from-behind victory over Port Melbourne in which it took the lead for the first time at the halfway mark of the final quarter ... READ MORE

    Demonland | April 14

  • Match Report      

    MAULED by Whispering Jack

    The writing was on the wall from the very first bounce of the football. The big men went up, Max Gawn more often than not, decisively won the ruck hit out and invariably a Brisbane Lions onballer either won the battle on the ground or halved the contest and they went at it repeatedly until they finally won out ... READ MORE

    Demonland | April 12

  • Post Game      

    POSTGAME: Rd 05 vs Brisbane

    The Demons 4 game winning streak has come to an end after a disappointing loss against the Brisbane Lions at the MCG going down by 22 points ...READ MORE

    Demonland | April 11

  • Votes      

    VOTES: Rd 05 vs Brisbane

    Last week Christian Petracca retook the outright lead in the Demonland Player of the Year Award from Max Gawn, Steven May, Alex Neal-Bullen & Jack Viney. Your votes for the loss against the Lions. 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 ...READ MORE

    Demonland | April 11

  • Game Day      

    GAMEDAY: Rd 05 vs Brisbane

    It's Game Day & the Demons have a great opportunity to win their fifth game on the trot and go into the bye with 5 wins and one loss when they take on the Brisbane Lions at the MCG on the Thursday night big stage ... READ MORE

    Demonland | April 11

  • Training  

    Wednesday, 10th April 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers Kev Martin and Demon Dynasty were once again on hand at this morning's Captain's Run at Gosch's Paddock to bring you their observations from training ... READ MORE

    Demonland | April 10

  • Match Preview      

    THE PEOPLE SPEAK by The Demonland Crew

    Good evening, Demon fans and welcome to the Demonland 2024 Grand Final Podcast … It’s been a beautiful last day of September and how sweet it is to bring you our coverage of all things that matter about the great Demon resurgence which we’ve seen over the past six or seven months ... READ MORE

    Demonland | April 09

  • Training  

    Sunday, 7th April 2024

    Demonland Trackwatcher Kev Martin ventured down in the rain to Gosch's Paddock for the Demon Family Series April School Holiday Open Training session ... READ MORE

    Demonland | April 07

  • Training  

    Monday, 1st April 2024

    Our man on the spot Bendigo Demon traveled to Adelaide for our back to back games in the City of Churches and brings you his observations from the Demon's training session at Hisense Stadium ... READ MORE

    Demonland | April 01

  • Latest Podcast  

    PODCAST: Koltyn Tholstrup Interview

    I interview the Melbourne Football Club’s newest recruit Koltyn Tholstrup to have a chat about his journey from the farm to the Demons, his first few weeks of preseason training, which Dees have impressed him on the track and his aspirations of playing Round 1 ... LISTEN

    Demonland | December 14

  • Latest Podcast  

    PODCAST: Jason Taylor Interview

    I interview the Melbourne Football Club's National Recruitment Manager Jason Taylor to have a chat about our Trade and Draft period, our newest recruits, our recent recruits who have yet to debut as well as those father son prospects on the horizon ... LISTEN

    Demonland | November 27

  • Next Match 

    .

    Round 07

       vs   

    Wednesday 24th April 2024
    @ 07:25pm (MCG)

  • MFC Forum  

  • Match Previews & Reports  

  • Training Forum  

  • AFLW Forum  

  • 2024 Player Sponsorship

  • Topics

  • Injury List  


      PLAYER INJURY LENGTH
    Shane McAdam Hamstring 1-2 Weeks
    Marty Hore Thumb 1-2 Weeks
    Charlie Spargo Achilles 3 Weeks
    Christian Salem Hamstring 3-4 Weeks
    Jake Bowey Shoulder 4-5 Weeks
    Jake Melksham ACL 9-11 Weeks
    Joel Smith Suspension TBA

  • Player of the Year  


        PLAYER VOTES
    1 Max Gawn 67
    2 Christian Petracca 55
    3 Steven May 35
    4 Jack Viney 28
    5 Alex Neal-Bullen 27
    6 Clayton Oliver 22
    7 Bayley Fritsch 19
    8 Trent Rivers 16
    9 Judd McVee 15
    10 Kade Chandler 14

        FULL TABLE
  • Demonland Interviews 



  • Upcoming Events 

×
×
  • Create New...