christ, imagine if we had a bad year with injuries this year?  A 4-5 win season would have killed us

12 minutes ago, DubDee said:

christ, imagine if we had a bad year with injuries this year?  A 4-5 win season would have killed us

Depending on whom the injuries were to and when (i.e. losing Maxy would have killed us), but the fact that Casey is on top of their ladder indicates we have a bit more "fat" in reserve than previously and could have absorbed more injuries without it decimating the AFL team. this buffer should grow as our kids become more seasoned in the years to come.

 

Melbourne injury list: round 20 

Jesse Hogan (knee) – test

Max King (wrist) – test

Mitch King (knee) – season

Heritier Lumumba (concussion) – indefinite

On 02/08/2016 at 6:14 PM, WA Demon13 said:

Anybody know what HL's story is -  other than a good game against the Roos his 2016 has been a complete bust. Im not certain his place is secure in our best 22 is secure and think we should look at moving him on at years end. The salary cap room could be important and he may offer some trade value.

I don't believe for a second that concussion is the only thing keeping Lumumba out of the side at present. I hope he does the honourable thing and asks the club to come to an arrangement to pay out his contract at year end, as I have never felt that he has fully committed to us. The worst thing for all concerned would be for him to continue to go through the motions for the next two years, particularly with talented youngsters battling for his position.

5 minutes ago, poita said:

I don't believe for a second that concussion is the only thing keeping Lumumba out of the side at present. I hope he does the honourable thing and asks the club to come to an arrangement to pay out his contract at year end, as I have never felt that he has fully committed to us. The worst thing for all concerned would be for him to continue to go through the motions for the next two years, particularly with talented youngsters battling for his position.

Yeah, that'd be why he was put in the leadership group hey....

 

1 hour ago, poita said:

I don't believe for a second that concussion is the only thing keeping Lumumba out of the side at present. I hope he does the honourable thing and asks the club to come to an arrangement to pay out his contract at year end, as I have never felt that he has fully committed to us. The worst thing for all concerned would be for him to continue to go through the motions for the next two years, particularly with talented youngsters battling for his position.

Agree. With Gus the Club gave updates on his progress. Similarly the Saints and McCartin. We've received nothing (that I'm aware of) about HL's progress. He comes across as a man of principal. If he no longer has a burning desire to play AFL at the highest level, he should walk away with a payout commensurate with what he has contributed.

13 minutes ago, M_9 said:

Agree. With Gus the Club gave updates on his progress. Similarly the Saints and McCartin. We've received nothing (that I'm aware of) about HL's progress. He comes across as a man of principal. If he no longer has a burning desire to play AFL at the highest level, he should walk away with a payout commensurate with what he has contributed.

I share that view of H.

However, he suffered concussion while playing for the club.   (The concussion may have triggered other issues, who knows).  Overall if he cannot continue, I'm not sure he should forfeit the income from the final year of his contract.  I think our club is equally principled and they would work out something that is fair.

27 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

I share that view of H.

However, he suffered concussion while playing for the club.   (The concussion may have triggered other issues, who knows).  Overall if he cannot continue, I'm not sure he should forfeit the income from the final year of his contract.  I think our club is equally principled and they would work out something that is fair.

 

Wasn't there a news article that said H would never play again about 2 months ago ? Then H was brought in as an emergency but never played same weekend so everyone wrote off the news story as rubbish. Might have some merit afterall.....??

55 minutes ago, M_9 said:

Agree. With Gus the Club gave updates on his progress. Similarly the Saints and McCartin. We've received nothing (that I'm aware of) about HL's progress. He comes across as a man of principal. If he no longer has a burning desire to play AFL at the highest level, he should walk away with a payout commensurate with what he has contributed.

Misson said defender/midfielder Heritier Lumumba remained sidelined indefinitely with concussion.  

“’H’ we’re just continuing to work through his concussion issues and he’s doing some running and some weights,” he said.

“We’ll probably have a better idea this time next week as to whether he’ll play again [this season].”

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2016-08-03/hogan-5050-for-hawthorn-clash

 

6 minutes ago, stuie said:

Misson said defender/midfielder Heritier Lumumba remained sidelined indefinitely with concussion.  

“’H’ we’re just continuing to work through his concussion issues and he’s doing some running and some weights,” he said.

“We’ll probably have a better idea this time next week as to whether he’ll play again [this season].”

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2016-08-03/hogan-5050-for-hawthorn-clash

 

Not sure you can assume that everything that is put out by the club tells the whole truth stuie.

There was an official line on a certain Mr. Clark a few years back that only covered some of the issues and not others.

A grain of salt should be used with these " For public comments"  

Just now, old dee said:

Not sure you can assume that everything that is put out by the club tells the whole truth stuie.

There was an official line on a certain Mr. Clark a few years back that only covered some of the issues and not others.

A grain of salt should be used with these " For public comments"  

That wasn't the point of my post.

That post was in response to those saying there's a conspiracy going on because there had been no updates.

There has been. In fact that's from yesterday.

 

Just now, stuie said:

That wasn't the point of my post.

That post was in response to those saying there's a conspiracy going on because there had been no updates.

There has been. In fact that's from yesterday.

 

When I said. " You" stuie I was meaning all of us as against just you.

advancing years has taught to be sceptical of these statements be they football or public in general.

7 minutes ago, old dee said:

When I said. " You" stuie I was meaning all of us as against just you.

advancing years has taught to be sceptical of these statements be they football or public in general.

Again OD, the point was about the club providing updates as some had claimed they hadn't.

It wasn't about the integrity of the updates.

 

1 minute ago, stuie said:

Again OD, the point was about the club providing updates as some had claimed they hadn't.

It wasn't about the integrity of the updates.

 

I understand your point stuie

I'm no body language expert but the way Misson looked down and away when speaking about HL's concussion looked a little too inconspicuous for my liking.

There's more to it imo.

1 hour ago, McQueen said:

I'm no body language expert but the way Misson looked down and away when speaking about HL's concussion looked a little too inconspicuous for my liking.

There's more to it imo.

Yep what we don't know would fill a chapter in the mystery injuries book.

4 hours ago, old dee said:

advancing years has taught to be sceptical of these statements be they football or public in general.

Advancing years has taught me that there are far more conspiracy theorists than actual conspiracies.

H has had a couple of concussions. Pleased that the club is being responsible and prudent in putting his longer-term health and well-being first.

If there are other issues, presumably the club will deal with those as well. If they are private issues, the club is right to protect individual player's privacy.

3 minutes ago, bing181 said:

Advancing years has taught me that there are far more conspiracy theorists than actual conspiracies.

Me too bing. However public statements seldom tell the whole story

4 hours ago, Hell Bent said:

Wasn't there a news article that said H would never play again about 2 months ago ? Then H was brought in as an emergency but never played same weekend so everyone wrote off the news story as rubbish. Might have some merit afterall.....??

He did play. He played for Casey and got another concussion. 

On 8/4/2016 at 0:39 AM, poita said:

I don't believe for a second that concussion is the only thing keeping Lumumba out of the side at present. I hope he does the honourable thing and asks the club to come to an arrangement to pay out his contract at year end, as I have never felt that he has fully committed to us. The worst thing for all concerned would be for him to continue to go through the motions for the next two years, particularly with talented youngsters battling for his position.

What do you have to base these beliefs on? Any time he's spoken about the club he has sounded very positive and committed. He's a very strange cat, and at times he seems to a lot about himself, but he has come across as someone with high moral fibre and wouldn't be the sort of person to take us for a ride.

As for his value to the club going forward, could be quite dependant on the off-season recruiting. If we do end up getting Hibberd I would say they play fairly similar roles as running half backs who break the lines. Add to the fact that Hunt has shown great dash at times and a few of the other younger boys have been given roles in defence it could make things difficult for H to be a regular going forward.

Great to hear the Hulk is right to go.

However, the plot thickens with Lumumba....

Quote

Defender Heritier Lumumba (concussion) remains sidelined indefinitely and first-year player Mitch King continues to make progress from a knee injury, which has sidelined him since early April.

“’H’ is having a couple of weeks away from the club and we’re hoping he’ll come back and do a little bit of training towards the end of the year,” Misson said.

 

Not sure how the plot thickens. There have been ongoing reports that he's still showing symptoms of concussion, and with no realistic possibility of him playing again this year, makes sense to give him some time away.

Whether there are other factors, who's to know.

Wish him well, must be difficult for him.

1 hour ago, McQueen said:

Great to hear the Hulk is right to go.

However, the plot thickens with Lumumba....

 

Steve

Your quote from Misson doesn't sound like the club is in total control of his recovery plan. 

Melbourne injury list: round 21

Jesse Hogan (knee) - available

Mitch King (knee) - season

Heritier Lumumba (concussion) - indefinite

Ben Newton (knee) - 1 week

Jake Spencer (knee) - test