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  On 05/11/2015 at 23:19, dazzledavey36 said:

Agree.. besides getting Yarran they nabbed some no name from GWS who was bound to be delisted.

This was on the back of not trading at all last year.

Hard to say where i see the tigers going next couple of years. I hooe we overtake them next year.

We already have. We've won our last two in a row against them :lol:
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      On 05/11/2015 at 23:38, mo64 said:

    Clubs aren't expecting DFAs to take them to the next level, but to offer depth or fill a role. Although he was picked as a rookie, Miles has turned out to be a gem for Richmond. Hawks picked up Fitzpatrick, so what does that tell you?

    That Fitzpatrick was very lucky.

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      On 05/11/2015 at 23:48, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

    That Fitzpatrick was very lucky.

    True, but it also tells you that clubs prefer to take a player that they think can provide a particular role, rather than go into the draft and spend 2/3 years developing a kid taken as a late pick, and hoping he can perform the same role.

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    Nothing wrong with clubs getting role players.

    You follow the wrong club if you eye-roll recruitment of a bit part player that may or may not be able to play at a higher level.

    Roos has had us recruit 11 AFL experienced players in his short tenure. From the summer of 2007/8 to 2011/12 we only recruited Meesen and MacDonald from other clubs. Only Vince and Tyson were recruited as something more than 'role players.'

    Why get speculative youth to (maybe) develop into something that a seasoned pro already is?

    It is a reason for our great malaise post 2007. Having no top end talent doesn't send you off the cliff, having a lack of AFL standard players to fill a team does that.

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    The Tigs have been hugely successful compared to us over the last few years with this strategy. Will it get them over the hump and to be an actual contender, that is the question as they seem to believe they have a really good core they are trying to build around.

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      On 05/11/2015 at 23:38, mo64 said:

    Clubs aren't expecting DFAs to take them to the next level, but to offer depth or fill a role. Although he was picked as a rookie, Miles has turned out to be a gem for Richmond. Hawks picked up Fitzpatrick, so what does that tell you?

    I can't see Richmond being a premiership team with their current list-building strategy. They're finishing high enough that they aren't getting high draft picks, they're not trading in or signing any gun players, and the players that they have added struggle to have an impact at AFL level. I think they'll be competitive for a few more years until Riewoldt/Deledio/Maric start to drop off, but I would bet that they won't win a flag unless something radically changes with their list.

    I feel bad for them, as I think their supporters deserve some success almost as much as we do. I also like Damien Hardwick as he's previously stuck up for us when the media have bashed us.

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      On 06/11/2015 at 00:57, Good Times Grimes said:

    I can't see Richmond being a premiership team with their current list-building strategy. They're finishing high enough that they aren't getting high draft picks, they're not trading in or signing any gun players, and the players that they have added struggle to have an impact at AFL level. I think they'll be competitive for a few more years until Riewoldt/Deledio/Maric start to drop off, but I would bet that they won't win a flag unless something radically changes with their list.

    I feel bad for them, as I think their supporters deserve some success almost as much as we do. I also like Damien Hardwick as he's previously stuck up for us when the media have bashed us.

    Richmond made attempts to get high end talent (Treloar, Motlop, Bennell). That fact that they were unsuccessful is not an indictment on their list building strategy. What solution do you have? Tanking to get high draft picks?

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    Looks like Gold Coast are about to sign Jarrod Grant...

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      On 06/11/2015 at 02:24, dazzledavey36 said:

    Looks like Gold Coast are about to sign Jarrod Grant...

    Yup. Scott Clayton continues his love for players who aren't midfielders or KPPs.

    It's why I think, if available at #6, they'll skip over both Francis and Curnow.

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      On 06/11/2015 at 02:21, mo64 said:

    Richmond made attempts to get high end talent (Treloar, Motlop, Bennell). That fact that they were unsuccessful is not an indictment on their list building strategy. What solution do you have? Tanking to get high draft picks?

    Fair, it may not be an indictment on their list building strategy, but it's an indictment on them as a club. They should be in a position now where they're viewed as a "destination club" that players like Treloar, Motlop and Bennell want to get to. I don't know what exactly it is that they need to do to get good players to want to play for them, whether it be offering them more money or longer contracts, but it's something they need to figure out quickly if they're ever going to contend for a premiership with their current core.

    The way I see it, they're topping up with players that will enable them to be competitive without ever actually being a legitimate premiership threat. They're treading water and I'm quite certain that unless they can find a way to lure some gun players to top off their list, they'll be rebuilding before they're hoisting a cup.

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    Daniel Gorringe signed with Carltank. http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-11-09/blues-boost-ruck-stocks-with-delisted-free-agent-gorringe

    Still hopeful we land Parella, but if Andre is gone by the time we get around to picking a ruckman (likely rookie draft) then Gorringe was an option I was hoping we'd have.

    Rucks still worth considering for me:

    Andre Parella (Sturt & SA U18's)

    Craig Moller (Fremantle)

    Gach Nuyon (Dandenong Stingrays)

    Darcy Cameron (Claremont)

    Jarred Redden (Port Adelaide)

    And that's about it. Not a lot of ruck options out there that I can think of.

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      On 06/11/2015 at 00:57, Good Times Grimes said:

    I can't see Richmond being a premiership team with their current list-building strategy. They're finishing high enough that they aren't getting high draft picks, they're not trading in or signing any gun players, and the players that they have added struggle to have an impact at AFL level. I think they'll be competitive for a few more years until Riewoldt/Deledio/Maric start to drop off, but I would bet that they won't win a flag unless something radically changes with their list.

    I feel bad for them, as I think their supporters deserve some success almost as much as we do. I also like Damien Hardwick as he's previously stuck up for us when the media have bashed us.

    You mean you're not impressed with their "hugely successful" efforts that haven't even gleaned a finals victory ?

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      On 09/11/2015 at 04:00, ProDee said:

    You mean you're not impressed with their "hugely successful" efforts that haven't even gleaned a finals victory ?

    I did say compared to us and also noted will it make them actual contenders. Us vs Richmond vs being a flag contender are all poles apart.

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      On 09/11/2015 at 04:00, ProDee said:

    You mean you're not impressed with their "hugely successful" efforts that haven't even gleaned a finals victory ?

    Maybe Moore, Townsend and Yarran will be the missing pieces that make them a genuine contender...

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    Jed Adcock anyone? He is only 29 and has leadership as well as being BOG in several games for the Lions this year. The inside word is that Leppa and him did not agree on the style of play and so Adcock was harpooned.

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      On 11/11/2015 at 07:19, spirit of norm smith said:

    Jed Adcock anyone? He is only 29 and has leadership as well as being BOG in several games for the Lions this year. The inside word is that Leppa and him did not agree on the style of play and so Adcock was harpooned.

    Have you not seriously kept up with it all. Josh Mahoney has already said that they will NOT be targeting any DFA.

    close thread.

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      On 11/11/2015 at 07:19, spirit of norm smith said:

    Jed Adcock anyone? He is only 29 and has leadership as well as being BOG in several games for the Lions this year. The inside word is that Leppa and him did not agree on the style of play and so Adcock was harpooned.

    Couldn't hold his spot down back. Went forward and managed some junk time goals in different games. With the recruitment of Bugg and Melksham he wouldn't be best 22 down back and would only waste a spot as a forward. So it's a no.

    When you go through the list of delistings I don't think there's anyone worth more than a rookie spot.

    Which is why Mahoney has rightly said we will take the 4 picks to the National Draft.

    I expect we will think about the best options come the rookie draft if there aren't any kids we like. A depth state league or delisted ruck or forward/ruck might be on the cards for the one live pick we have.

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      On 05/11/2015 at 23:19, dazzledavey36 said:

    Agree.. besides getting Yarran they nabbed some no name from GWS who was bound to be delisted.

    This was on the back of not trading at all last year.

    Hard to say where i see the tigers going next couple of years. I hooe we overtake them next year.

    While i agree, i don't think it's through lack of trying so much,

    they threw everything at Treloar and it didn't work out, tried for Trengove last year but it fell through,

    I just think they're a mediocre team and people can see that, where we are already beating them and have a lot of improvement to go.

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