According to the AFL site he is now available.

  On 11/10/2015 at 07:08, Redleg said:

According to the AFL site he is now available.

That changes nothing for what our attitude should be - if Carlton, who are already losing Henderson and are light on for quality talls as it is, are happy to trade away a key forward who played senior football this year then that should be a HUGE red flag. If the Blues don't want him then we don't need him either.

Casboult could gain a bit of interest because his strengths are so obvious and appealing. Obviously his weaknesses are also glaring. I would not be surprised if Carlton net something decent from trading him, but I just can't see Roos and co going for someone like him.

  On 11/10/2015 at 07:12, Wiseblood said:

That changes nothing for what our attitude should be - if Carlton, who are already losing Henderson and are light on for quality talls as it is, are happy to trade away a key forward who played senior football this year then that should be a HUGE red flag. If the Blues don't want him then we don't need him either.

As per Garlett last year...?

  On 11/10/2015 at 07:47, PaulRB said:

As per Garlett last year...?

Did you feel ridiculous as you posted that? Because Garlett and Casboult are completely different cases. Garlett left for off field issues and a complete falling out with Malthouse. Casboult has done nothing of the sort and has played most senior games this year, yet the Blues are quite happy to move him on.

C'mon Paul, you're better than that.

  On 11/10/2015 at 07:12, Wiseblood said:

That changes nothing for what our attitude should be - if Carlton, who are already losing Henderson and are light on for quality talls as it is, are happy to trade away a key forward who played senior football this year then that should be a HUGE red flag. If the Blues don't want him then we don't need him either.

Ordinarily I'd agree, but Carlton's recruiting and trading has been a complete mess over the past couple of years (or longer). They've completely fluked it with Cripps and are hanging every single hat they have on his head.

Can't say I'm heaps excited by Casboult as a player, but I'm not at all concerned with Carlton putting him on the table.

Aside from their terrible ability to recognise talent, they have very little of value to offer up for trade. I imagine they're hoping someone takes him on potential and pays overs to allow them to bring in more superstars like Jaksch and Liam Jones.

  On 11/10/2015 at 07:50, Wiseblood said:

Did you feel ridiculous as you posted that? Because Garlett and Casboult are completely different cases. Garlett left for off field issues and a complete falling out with Malthouse. Casboult has done nothing of the sort and has played most senior games this year, yet the Blues are quite happy to move him on.

C'mon Paul, you're better than that.

Betts, Gartlett, Waite all traded away by Carlton in last year or two.

I'm not the one who should be embarrassed, but the Blues for trading such talent cheap, and you for then claiming "if Carlton... are happy to trade away a key forward who played senior football this year then that should be a HUGE red flag. If the Blues don't want him then we don't need him either.".

Not convinced on Casabolt, but most forwards the Blues have traded out have been gold for the lucky clubs who got them.

  On 11/10/2015 at 08:03, PaulRB said:

Betts, Gartlett, Waite all traded away by Carlton in last year or two.

I'm not the one who should be embarrassed, but the Blues for trading such talent cheap, and you for then claiming "if Carlton... are happy to trade away a key forward who played senior football this year then that should be a HUGE red flag. If the Blues don't want him then we don't need him either.".

Not convinced on Casabolt, but most forwards the Blues have traded out have been gold for the lucky clubs who got them.

They didn't want Betts to go, Garlett I've mentioned above and Waite was 30 (or over, can't remember...) when he was traded and he was happy to go.

To me that doesn't fit Casboult at all. When the other 3 above left they still had options. Now, not so much.

You would have thought with Henderson going they would be happy to hold on to anything else they have, as they don't have much. Wanting to also trade Casboult is a red flag to me. If they are also happy to let him leave then he must have enough glaring deficiencies that we don't need.

As I said, Casboult to me is an entirely different case to the other 3 players mentioned.

  On 11/10/2015 at 07:12, Wiseblood said:

That changes nothing for what our attitude should be - if Carlton, who are already losing Henderson and are light on for quality talls as it is, are happy to trade away a key forward who played senior football this year then that should be a HUGE red flag. If the Blues don't want him then we don't need him either.

I don't disagree that Carlton's willingness to wave him in front of other clubs speaks to his quality, although i wouldn't be placing a huge amount of faith in their list management.

Parking that, I posted in the trade thread that when looking at the facts, the glaring weakness of Casboult's, namely his goalkicking, definitely improved from the moment he took on Rocca as his coach in mid April.

He kicked 2:4 in the first 3 weeks of the season. In the other 13 games, he kicked 22:8 in a team that had major deficiencies with forward structure and quality of forward 50 entries.

How he fits into the forward structure needs to be considered, but if his goalkicking truly is getting sorted then he is an upgrade on Dawes as a foil for Hogan. He's clearly a far better contested mark.

I'm not a Casboult fan per se, but the improvement in his conversion in the latter half of this season can't be denied. It wouldn't surprise me if a few clubs are interested.

  On 11/10/2015 at 08:15, P-man said:

He kicked 2:4 in the first 3 weeks of the season. In the other 13 games, he kicked 22:8 in a team that had major deficiencies with forward structure and quality of forward 50 entries.

That's a fair point.

However, if he has improved so much, why are they so willing to allow him to go with Henderson already on the way out and no guarantee, outside of one tall they will draft with the first pick, of others coming in?

Just doesn't seem right to me. I know their list management has been terrible recently but surely if Bolton saw something in him he would be happy to keep him around for at least another year or 2.

Eddie's stated that he wanted to stay at the blues and would've for less money than the crows are paying him, but they lowballed him and wouldn't offer contract security. Worked out better for him anyway.

  On 11/10/2015 at 08:17, Wiseblood said:

That's a fair point.

However, if he has improved so much, why are they so willing to allow him to go with Henderson already on the way out and no guarantee, outside of one tall they will draft with the first pick, of others coming in?

Just doesn't seem right to me. I know their list management has been terrible recently but surely if Bolton saw something in him he would be happy to keep him around for at least another year or 2.

I agree it's a red flag if Bolton is so willing to move him on. I suppose it depends on what they think his currency is. Their midfield is in major need of repair.

  On 11/10/2015 at 08:17, Wiseblood said:

That's a fair point.

However, if he has improved so much, why are they so willing to allow him to go with Henderson already on the way out and no guarantee, outside of one tall they will draft with the first pick, of others coming in?

Just doesn't seem right to me. I know their list management has been terrible recently but surely if Bolton saw something in him he would be happy to keep him around for at least another year or 2.

aaah

Now i welcome you to the world of Carlton logic (warn..oxymoron ahead)

Imho this is where the blueboys get seriously askew.

They will think they can pull off the masterful play..get rid of X and trade in Y ( y=2x)

They work in exalted climes,so they think. Many years ago they were quite astute. Now the idea of cutting off one's nose to spite face has failed to register with them.

Why did they get Mouse ?. Why did they overlook Barker ? They think and act Strangely at the moment. So take advantage of it I say !!!

Geez, Carlton are practically starting from the bottom.

Throwing out Yarran, Casboult, Hendersen. Were prepared to ditch Kreuzer until every other club passed. Murphy and Gibbs have never shown their true potential and the rest of their list is simply awful.

  On 11/10/2015 at 09:43, Lamashtu said:

Geez, Carlton are practically starting from the bottom.

Throwing out Yarran, Casboult, Hendersen. Were prepared to ditch Kreuzer until every other club passed. Murphy and Gibbs have never shown their true potential and the rest of their list is simply awful.

There is certainly a 'Melbourne 08-09' feeling to their list management and prospects at the moment.

Just Wising up Blood to the way of the Blue ?

  On 11/10/2015 at 08:17, Wiseblood said:

That's a fair point.

However, if he has improved so much, why are they so willing to allow him to go with Henderson already on the way out and no guarantee, outside of one tall they will draft with the first pick, of others coming in?

Just doesn't seem right to me. I know their list management has been terrible recently but surely if Bolton saw something in him he would be happy to keep him around for at least another year or 2.

Only possible reason i can see is if they're confident of obtaining Josh Walker & Tomlinson, so they see Casboult as excess that they could get something decent for in a trade?

Straight swap dawes for casbolt hogan and levi in the same forward line

  On 13/10/2015 at 11:19, don said:

Straight swap dawes for casbolt hogan and levi in the same forward line

Yeah look out..

Carlton might be planning on drafting Schache as well. Hard to pass up on a dominant tall forward. Or playing Wietering forward.

But mainly if they follow the Hawthorn model under Bolton then they will want 2 rucks and Kreuzer is a handy 2nd ruck/forward, I think he's more suited there than as a first ruck where he gets monstered.

Then the tall forward spots should be filled with versatile, quick and skillful players who are useful when the ball is on the ground and win 1 on 1's by the ball coming in quick to space.

Casboult is very much a lead up or pack marking forward. He provides a good contest for kicking long down the line or bombing it in to him deep, but if you don't plan on playing that style of footy then he's not much use. Walker isn't a hell of a lot better but he is more mobile.

I'd suggest Casboult isn't so useful to us either as hopefully we plan on moving the ball quicker and opening up our forward line as well. If that's the case then despite his terrible hands maybe Dawes can do as much as Casboult would anyway when using his motor to play in space.

The lack of skills, mobility and ruck ability make it a no from me and I think I understand where Carlton are coming from.

I think he is in a similar class to Dawes and Pedo.

If I rated them (and I can imagine others rating them differently as they are all pretty similar in that they have good upside but they can have games where their negatives can be glaring) then I'd probably put Casboult on top ahead of Pedo then Dawes (who never ever kicks enough goals to be considered a good forward). To give it perspective I would only have Cloke marginally ahead of Casboult, but apart from his game against us I don't rate Cloke.

I don't understand why Carlton are ditching him, there must be more to it because he is a reasonable footballer. Mature forwards aren't easy to find. I reckon he would be a good pick up for the right team. For us we would definately need to move on either Pedo or Dawes, preferably the latter and considering Casboult is not a huge upgrade we couldn't pay Carlton or him too much to get him.

Given this scenario I don't think we will go hard enough to get him. I reckon he is a great pick up though.

  On 13/10/2015 at 12:15, deespicable me said:

I think he is in a similar class to Dawes and Pedo.

If I rated them (and I can imagine others rating them differently as they are all pretty similar in that they have good upside but they can have games where their negatives can be glaring) then I'd probably put Casboult on top ahead of Pedo then Dawes (who never ever kicks enough goals to be considered a good forward). To give it perspective I would only have Cloke marginally ahead of Casboult, but apart from his game against us I don't rate Cloke.

I don't understand why Carlton are ditching him, there must be more to it because he is a reasonable footballer. Mature forwards aren't easy to find. I reckon he would be a good pick up for the right team. For us we would definately need to move on either Pedo or Dawes, preferably the latter and considering Casboult is not a huge upgrade we couldn't pay Carlton or him too much to get him.

Given this scenario I don't think we will go hard enough to get him. I reckon he is a great pick up though.

I really rate pedo as a player, I think he's superior to Dawes and could be a great asset with an injury free season. I don't think we will be going hard enough for Casboult as you said he's not a huge upgrade.

  On 13/10/2015 at 12:21, HulkHogan said:

I really rate pedo as a player, I think he's superior to Dawes and could be a great asset with an injury free season. I don't think we will be going hard enough for Casboult as you said he's not a huge upgrade.

Pedo's game against the Dogs was terrific. After that game I thought he had moved ahead of Dawes.

I'm not sure he has a lot of self confidence. I'd love to see him get really fit and be told that second forward spot is his.

He may have a gun year yet.

  On 13/10/2015 at 12:31, deespicable me said:

Pedo's game against the Dogs was terrific. After that game I thought he had moved ahead of Dawes.

I'm not sure he has a lot of self confidence. I'd love to see him get really fit and be told that second forward spot is his.

He may have a gun year yet.

"The most arrogant person at the club."

On pretty good authority.

  On 13/10/2015 at 21:15, rpfc said:

"The most arrogant person at the club."

On pretty good authority.

Suprising for an older fringe player....