Pick 6 and JKH for pick 3

Good to c u like your own posts there olisik!

We would not have taken kennedy at pick 4 i can assure you.

100% guarantee he was very much in the frame for that pick. Quayle is correct.

Hypthetical. Let's say Jimmy Toumpas = pick 29 + 50.

Would we be happy trading 29, 50 & our third rounder (45) for pick 14?

Effectively Toumpas + 45 for 14 from Sydney (Swans have a net points differential of + 63 in this scenario).

Edit: Problem with this scenario is no picks left for Bugg.

Edited October 19, 201510 yr by ChaserJ

Good to c u like your own posts there olisik!

That's how I roll

Righto, Swans pick 14 could be worked into the Saints Carlisle deal, but can't be done without Essendon including pick 23 or 25.

http://www.smh.com.au/afl/trading-and-drafting/afl-trade-period-2015-sydney-swans-step-into-jake-carlisle-trade-talks-20151019-gkcrl6.html

So presume Bugg for pick 50 to GWS.

Gets us Melksham, Kennedy and Bugg.

Draft picks 6, 29, 45.

Competitors only... Charlie Curnow, Tom Cole, Sam Skinner.

So presume Bugg for pick 50 to GWS.

Gets us Melksham, Kennedy and Bugg.

Draft picks 6, 29, 45.

Competitors only... Charlie Curnow, Tom Cole, Sam Skinner.

That'd be some kind of result. Don't know if Curnow gets to 6. Weideman might be more of a chance. Still a competitor.

People need to look at it this way.

We have Hogan. Therefore we win everything.

This is how I like to see it.

Burgs should include a Hogan contested grabs highlights video at the bottom (or top) of each story about new trade-ins and draftees.

In fact scrap those stories he should just post various in-depth features about Hogan's contested grabs.

That'd be some kind of result. Don't know if Curnow gets to 6. Weideman might be more of a chance. Still a competitor.

It'll be interesting to see if we do take the plunge on a key forward (Weideman) after everything Roos has said about drafting them early.

I dont think we got shafted at all, Howe and Toump are hopeless players.

The frustration is because of the Howe to Gold Coast deal that was all lined up but is now just a pipe dream.

Yeah, Howe is uselss, finished 9th in our b&f. Where did Kennedy finish in Collingwoods ?

Very underwhelming trade period, but the whinging about this deal is over the top.

Toumpas has been terrible and shown little to no development whilst others around him have blossomed. Cut our losses, list clogger.

Howe, give me a break, think he played 2 good games in a row once. There's a lot there to work with but I doubt he has the ticker to fight in a struggling team every week. He could have some really good games in a decent team, but he's been no use to us. [censored] him.

It was an average deal for average players.

Very underwhelming trade period, but the whinging about this deal is over the top.

Toumpas has been terrible and shown little to no development whilst others around him have blossomed. Cut our losses, list clogger.

Howe, give me a break, think he played 2 good games in a row once. There's a lot there to work with but I doubt he has the ticker to fight in a struggling team every week. He could have some really good games in a decent team, but he's been no use to us. [censored] him.

It was an average deal for average players.

Ben Kennedy ?

Yeah, Howe is uselss, finished 9th in our b&f. Where did Kennedy finish in Collingwoods ?

Irrelevant. Howe finished so highly because he undeservedly played every game and the Bluey rewards people that play a lot of games

Played maybe 2 or 3 good games all season

Ben Kennedy ?

Has pace and can kick a goal. One game this year me and my Pies supporter mate were laughing at how bad he was. I'm underwhelmed.

But I saw enough of Toumpas to go stone cold on him. I see attributes in Kennedy that are more useful.

And the victim of the sub rule holds true. He could develop with more of a run.

Like I said, it was an average deal involving average players. No clear winners or losers.

Irrelevant. Howe finished so highly because he undeservedly played every game and the Bluey rewards people that play a lot of games

Played maybe 2 or 3 good games all season

Jack Watts only missed 2 games yet finished 18th

At this point we can now safely say we won't be getting an A grader through the trade period.

Howe, Toumpas going out and Kennedy and Melksham coming in doesn't amount to much. Adding Bugg isn't doing much either.

Howe is a C+ grader and Toumpas is D.

What do you expect to receive for such players ?

(For reference I consider Nathan Jones a B grader, who has had one A grade year - 2014)

Toumpas isn't worth much more than pick 50. Pick 40 if you got really lucky. And Kennedy and 29 for Howe is reasonable.

I don't know what the fuss is about.

I generally agree with this post, but I think the angst is well placed by some, who see Henderson being valued as a first rounder - ie a lot more than Howe is being valued.

Shipping out a Pick 4 after three injury interrupted seasons in exchange for pick 50 has the potential to be an outrageously poor decision. It's a massive gamble to be showing him the door this quickly for peanuts.

In fact if there was any way to make the Toumpas over Wines decision worse, it is giving Toumpas the flick only to then watch him blossom at another club. Port fans can not believe their luck at the moment. Pick 50 for a half unwrapped top 10 talent. We'll wait and see how that one pans out, though the thought of Wines and Toumpas running around together for another side in September is almost too funny to actually be disturbing. The whole Toumpas fiasco has been so ridiculous and yet so, so Melbourne.

If we look back in a couple of years on this period as coming out winners then I'll tip my hat to Mahoney cause he should rightly be lauded a master. At the moment, it takes some ingenuity to be looking at this as all sunshine and lollipops. Fortunately we didn't recruit Bastinac otherwise I may have had to switch off entirely and just follow the rugby.

That said, as much as we may have been bent over the trade table, the squad can certainly withstand the losses of Howe and Toumpas whilst continuing to move forward at an accelerated rate. The Howe move especially had to get done for all parties. The gains of Melksham, Kennedy and Bugg all have the potential to become mainstays. Melksham and Kennedy nominated the MFC as their destination. If they are buying in to what the club is trying to do and where it wants to get to, they get my unqualified support.

It's competition no matter who has the pick...

All clubs have the same the draft rankings?

Must be why GWS passed on Toumpas and we drafted him - [censored], I probably shouldn't talk about him in reference to this years draft I might jinx it.

Edit: [censored] up

Edited October 19, 201510 yr by Roosy's Bruisers

If you seriously think we would have drafted Kennedy at 4 over Wines, Stringer or Macrae then you're either an idiot or deliberately talking [censored] to try and placate the masses.

Gonzo this guy is definitely the former

Don't take anybody's word, use your own head. Wines was a monty until GWS passed on Toumpas for Plowman.

That was my understanding.

I am interested to see who we chasing as the forward to help Hogan, that was spoken about as a priority.

It'll be interesting to see if we do take the plunge on a key forward (Weideman) after everything Roos has said about drafting them early.

True, that has crossed my mind. I think the Boyd deal changed a lot of minds about how clubs approach drafting key forwards.

The price for truly good ones is too steep on the trade market to completely rule out drafting one high.

Maybe Jesse has changed Roosy's thoughts a little as well.

A fair chance we would have selected McCartin if he was there for us last year, and heard Todd Viney speak relatively glowingly about Weideman during the year despite him missing much of the year.

I am interested to see who we chasing as the forward to help Hogan, that was spoken about as a priority.

Chasing and catching: not necessarily the same thing.

Though in any case, I thought that the priority was mids, mids and more mids, it was the press who ramped up the "a mate for Hogan" idea.

MFC: hey all! We like a jolly rogering, we bought the lube... Line up!

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