On 08/10/2015 at 07:48, rjay said:

Who says he's not...

Why did he nominate Collingwood followed by Carlton if the prior fails...

  On 08/10/2015 at 12:09, ignition. said:

Why did he nominate Collingwood followed by Carlton if the prior fails...

Are you really that naive

Treloar has nominated Collingwood

GWS are playing hard ball and want more than Collingwood are offering

Carlton has 1st pick in the PSD

A leak suggests Calron are offering more money

Treloar's manager acting in his clients best interests says he is open to this

GWS weigh up the 2

Treloar walks and they get nothing

They take Collingwoods offer and get 2 picks

FFS it isn't that hard to work out, how this is being played out,

  On 08/10/2015 at 06:49, ignition. said:

Why is Treloar not our number one target?

He, Wines, Mitchell and Prestia are the best under 23 midfielders in the game, and Treloar wants a return to VIC.

We should be a major player for his services, and he is worth any long term deal.

  On 08/10/2015 at 07:48, rjay said:

Who says he's not...

  On 08/10/2015 at 12:09, ignition. said:

Why did he nominate Collingwood followed by Carlton if the prior fails...

It doesn't mean he wasn't our number one target, who would know...

If he was our number one target it still doesn't mean he has to chose us. The point is we don't know who we've targeted and spoken to, it's not the way we do business anymore and I'm happy with this.

We don't need PJ and the crew to lead the cheer-squad into battle, we just need them to successfully rebuild the club.

  On 08/10/2015 at 12:42, Pennant St Dee said:

Are you really that naive

Treloar has nominated Collingwood

GWS are playing hard ball and want more than Collingwood are offering

Carlton has 1st pick in the PSD

A leak suggests Calron are offering more money

Treloar's manager acting in his clients best interests says he is open to this

GWS weigh up the 2

Treloar walks and they get nothing

They take Collingwoods offer and get 2 picks

.

FFS it isn't that hard to work out, how this is being played out,

Haha naive, who would have known that Carlton has the first pick, or Collingwood #7 & #25!

Maybe if you could string two thoughts together you would realise we have enough to compete with any other rival offer - rather than forfeit the possibility.

We have the money and in a draft offering a key forward (who would join Patton, Cameron, and McCarthy if the Carlton trade came to fruition) or key back with the first two selections, our pick #6 and Howe (who GWS offered a lucrative contract in the closing stages of the 2014 trade period) should be adequate. If not any possible pick obtained from the departure of Toumpas would be sufficient.

We have the resources and we should be at the forefront of any trade battle to acquire his services.

  On 08/10/2015 at 13:08, rjay said:

It doesn't mean he wasn't our number one target, who would know...

If he was our number one target it still doesn't mean he has to chose us. The point is we don't know who we've targeted and spoken to, it's not the way we do business anymore and I'm happy with this.

We don't need PJ and the crew to lead the cheer-squad into battle, we just need them to successfully rebuild the club.

I completely agree with you and as I stated yesterday I'm pleased by the lack of leaks in recent times.

This trade period we need a Treloar, Parker, or Prestia etc. to catalyse our success by contributing to more wins in the short term that would alleviate or reduce the difficulties of recruiting free agents and other OOC players in future years.

  On 08/10/2015 at 07:48, rjay said:

Who says he's not...

Voice of reason.

We run a watertight ship. Saints clearly have too many overzealous people high up.

Doesn't mean we're on the attack here. Does mean we could be elsewhere.

I love the way Melbourne are playing their cards.

Every other club is laying their cards down so everyone can see.

Melbourne can just come in and trump the lot.

Just because the Filth is the wealthiest club, they have the same salary cap as anyone else, apart from those north of the border.

I'm getting really sick of clubs like St. Kilda and Carlton getting nominated over us! We're not any worse than they are, in fact this year's ladder would demonstrate we're as good if not better. It just really gets on my nerves when they could flat out reject any interest from us and then go on to be open to a move to Carlton. Or bloody Carlisle nominating St. Kilda! I dunno, good on them...but sometimes I look at it and think really?? We're not THAT bad surely.

Maybe (definitely) I'm just bitter.

  On 08/10/2015 at 21:50, pilgrim said:

I'm getting really sick of clubs like St. Kilda and Carlton getting nominated over us! We're not any worse than they are, in fact this year's ladder would demonstrate we're as good if not better. It just really gets on my nerves when they could flat out reject any interest from us and then go on to be open to a move to Carlton. Or bloody Carlisle nominating St. Kilda! I dunno, good on them...but sometimes I look at it and think really?? We're not THAT bad surely.

Maybe (definitely) I'm just bitter.

How do you know that Carlisle wouldn't have nominated Melbourne, had we had any interest in him?

Players aren't nominating clubs that have no interest in them. Otherwise everyone would say they want to go to Hawthorn.

Who woulda thought a player would nominate the club who offers the best deal.

I feel like a Mitch Clark scenario is unraveling here. The way we are going into this trade period reminds me of being at an auction.. We're just sitting there, letting the other suitors battling it out for the property, then we just come in with a late bid that trumps them all. LETS GO DEES!

Surly GWS are only putting it out there to get a better pick off Collingwood for him.

We all know how hard Collingwood are to trade with.

  On 08/10/2015 at 21:50, pilgrim said:

I'm getting really sick of clubs like St. Kilda and Carlton getting nominated over us! We're not any worse than they are, in fact this year's ladder would demonstrate we're as good if not better. It just really gets on my nerves when they could flat out reject any interest from us and then go on to be open to a move to Carlton. Or bloody Carlisle nominating St. Kilda! I dunno, good on them...but sometimes I look at it and think really?? We're not THAT bad surely.

Maybe (definitely) I'm just bitter.

You're also acting a bit irrational.

We don't want every player that's on the market. We have holes to fill, and we have a tight budget that must be managed.

We also happen to have potentially the best player in the league for the next decade we're trying to lock down on a long-term contract.

  On 08/10/2015 at 15:19, ignition. said:

Haha naive, who would have known that Carlton has the first pick, or Collingwood #7 & #25!

Maybe if you could string two thoughts together you would realise we have enough to compete with any other rival offer - rather than forfeit the possibility.

We have the money and in a draft offering a key forward (who would join Patton, Cameron, and McCarthy if the Carlton trade came to fruition) or key back with the first two selections, our pick #6 and Howe (who GWS offered a lucrative contract in the closing stages of the 2014 trade period) should be adequate. If not any possible pick obtained from the departure of Toumpas would be sufficient.

We have the resources and we should be at the forefront of any trade battle to acquire his services.

WTF who would have known Carton had 1st pick, it's usually decided on ladder position

If you think the club hasn't made any inqs into Treloar you are affording further evidence to your naivety. Or were you expecting the club to send you a personal sms or email on exactly what they are doing behind the scenes

Don't know where you have been for the last two trade periods but we no longer leak info

  On 08/10/2015 at 22:32, ILLDieADemon said:

Surly GWS are only putting it out there to get a better pick off Collingwood for him.

We all know how hard Collingwood are to trade with.

SHHHH don't let Ignition hear you bringing logic into the scenario

  On 08/10/2015 at 21:50, pilgrim said:

I'm getting really sick of clubs like St. Kilda and Carlton getting nominated over us! We're not any worse than they are, in fact this year's ladder would demonstrate we're as good if not better. It just really gets on my nerves when they could flat out reject any interest from us and then go on to be open to a move to Carlton. Or bloody Carlisle nominating St. Kilda! I dunno, good on them...but sometimes I look at it and think really?? We're not THAT bad surely.

Maybe (definitely) I'm just bitter.

Melksham has as good as nominated us, as has Kennedy. Carlisle isn't exactly Paddy Dangerfield, and not what we need in any case.

The blues have probably offered Treloar similar terms to the Pies - probably even better to get his interest. That's fine, we obviously don't value him that highly so our offer isn't as big, etc. It all comes down to a bidding war; and like any auction the one prepared to pay the highest price wins.

So coming back to Milkshake and Kennedy - they're interested in us because we've put the best offers to them.

The deal to Collingwood is not necessarily a certainty according to GWS

could we steal him ?

What about the following:

Melbourne Give: 2015 and 2016 1st round picks

GWS Give: Treloar, Bugg and 2015 2nd round pick

  On 08/10/2015 at 05:36, Bring-Back-Powell said:

If St Kilda get both Treloar and Carlisle, then they'll leap frog us next year.

No they won't.

  On 13/10/2015 at 01:26, Is Dom Is Good said:

What about the following:

Melbourne Give: 2015 and 2016 1st round picks

GWS Give: Treloar, Bugg and 2015 2nd round pick

They'd want something else thrown in for that.

They're giving two players and a pick for two picks in that scenario.

  On 13/10/2015 at 01:35, AngryAtCasey said:

They'd want something else thrown in for that.

They're giving two players and a pick for two picks in that scenario.

Bugg would only be worth a 3rd or 4th rounder anyway. Plus Treloar is definitely not worth two first round picks on his own.

  On 13/10/2015 at 01:26, Is Dom Is Good said:

What about the following:

Melbourne Give: 2015 and 2016 1st round picks

GWS Give: Treloar, Bugg and 2015 2nd round pick

GWS knocked back Collingwood's offer of 2015 & 2016 1st rounders. Why would they accept ours, and throw in Bugg and a 2nd rounder too?

  On 13/10/2015 at 01:38, Mondê said:

GWS knocked back Collingwood's offer of 2015 & 2016 1st rounders. Why would they accept ours, and throw in Bugg and a 2nd rounder too?

Cos our picks will likely be earlier both years and Bugg is steak knives in any such deal.

2nd rounder would not be involved, it'd be either/either.

  On 13/10/2015 at 01:38, Mondê said:

GWS knocked back Collingwood's offer of 2015 & 2016 1st rounders. Why would they accept ours, and throw in Bugg and a 2nd rounder too?

Because our picks are before Collingwoods + we're nicer people!

  On 13/10/2015 at 01:38, Mondê said:

GWS knocked back Collingwood's offer of 2015 & 2016 1st rounders. Why would they accept ours, and throw in Bugg and a 2nd rounder too?

I don't think Collingwood have actually offered 2 first round picks. I'm fairly sure they offered 1st this year and 2nd next year or something like that.