I would be surprised if Toumpas gets us anything but a third round pick. And I don't think he deserves more than a one-year deal on base wage.

We have to weigh whether it's worth hanging on to him for another year and seeing how he goes, or whether we trade for a late pick. I think the Toump has more chance of becoming a solid player than, say, pick 60 in a shallow draft. I'd back him in for another year and see how he goes.

We have to weigh whether it's worth hanging on to him for another year and seeing how he goes, or whether we trade for a late pick. I think the Toump has more chance of becoming a solid player than, say, pick 60 in a shallow draft. I'd back him in for another year and see how he goes.

Here we go again

This club should learn from the past and cut and run

Get what we can and stop deluding ourselves that we can make a silk purse out of this guy

He has shown absolutely zero lets just move on!

Here we go again

This club should learn from the past and cut and run

Get what we can and stop deluding ourselves that we can make a silk purse out of this guy

He has shown absolutely zero lets just move on!

To what? Another player you can abandon in a few years?

Attributing the failure of the past to every thing you see similar in the future is not the way you get out of a rut - it's how you create a quagmire.

We are trying to get out of one.

Keeping people like Toumpas keeps us in the quagmire we need brave decisions this year

Whats the upside in keeping him for another contract, Hope and blind faith, A miracle that he will come good.

Clear him and move on

We have to weigh whether it's worth hanging on to him for another year and seeing how he goes, or whether we trade for a late pick. I think the Toump has more chance of becoming a solid player than, say, pick 60 in a shallow draft. I'd back him in for another year and see how he goes.

GTG..the thing I wonder about is why when many talk of Toumpas being let go etc is that its simply for a pick or a player. I.e him for something scenario.

I would think Toumpas will ( should he go ) be as a 'sweetener' to another deal. On his tod he might not fetch much in the market but as part of some package it might be the difference between us gaining something...or not.

I choose the word GAIN specifically because if Toumpas can help facilitate us getting something we need and can use then we have gained. If he ( JT ) gets to clear the decks and reboot...so does he.

I see nothing wrong with this.

Keeping people like Toumpas keeps us in the quagmire we need brave decisions this year

Whats the upside in keeping him for another contract, Hope and blind faith, A miracle that he will come good.

Clear him and move on

For what though?

Have you thought about that?

Bring in a talent as speculative, or moreso?

Answer me these questions three...

For what though?

Have you thought about that?

Bring in a talent as speculative, or moreso?

Answer me these questions three...

I refer you to my comment above.

Toump may be part of a swap that lands something "non-speculative"

You re assuming only a narrow style of departure for him Id suggest

For what though?

Have you thought about that?

Bring in a talent as speculative, or moreso?

Answer me these questions three...

Well there is as much chance of getting a better player (We already know JT is no good) as not there for the odds are better

I refer you to my comment above.

Toump may be part of a swap that lands something "non-speculative"

You re assuming only a narrow style of departure for him Id suggest

But even if he were to be a sweetener in any deal, his value is low. So he's not much of a sweetener.

The argument for keeping him therefore remains the same. Given his current value, another year isn't going to do much damage either way.

Imagine the razor blade shortage if we give him the boot merely to free up a spot on the list, and he goes on to excel elsewhere. Which is entirely possible. The kid has talent. It's between the ears that he seems to be struggling.

But even if he were to be a sweetener in any deal, his value is low. So he's not much of a sweetener.

The argument for keeping him therefore remains the same. Given his current value, another year isn't going to do much damage either way.

Imagine the razor blade shortage if we give him the boot merely to free up a spot on the list, and he goes on to excel elsewhere. Which is entirely possible. The kid has talent. It's between the ears that he seems to be struggling.

Often clubs evaluate players as to where and what as a role they can fill. They sometimes look at other club's lesser lights and wonder if a new environment , fresh start , different development might turn out a player different to the one that languishes etc at the 'other ' club. It happens.

We took on Michie..Riley ...they were speculative in nature. Another club may well do the same

Well there is as much chance of getting a better player (We already know JT is no good) as not there for the odds are better

So an empty chair is a better bet?

So an empty chair is a better bet?

An Eames Chair has excellent value...

So an empty chair is a better bet?

No a chair filled by someone who hasn't yet proved to be a dud

Interesting sign that we announced the re signing of 4 young fellas and jimmy is not one of them

But even if he were to be a sweetener in any deal, his value is low. So he's not much of a sweetener.

The argument for keeping him therefore remains the same. Given his current value, another year isn't going to do much damage either way.

Imagine the razor blade shortage if we give him the boot merely to free up a spot on the list, and he goes on to excel elsewhere. Which is entirely possible. The kid has talent. It's between the ears that he seems to be struggling.

Has talent, all between the ears. Where have we heard that before....

Interesting sign that we announced the re signing of 4 young fellas and jimmy is not one of them

ssshhhhhhhhhhh !!!!!!!!!

Interesting sign that we announced the re signing of 4 young fellas and jimmy is not one of them

IMO the only way he will be at the MFC in 2016 is that a deal with any value could not be done

IMO the only way he will be at the MFC in 2016 is that a deal with any value could not be done

thats about the length and breadth of it OD

But even if he were to be a sweetener in any deal, his value is low. So he's not much of a sweetener.

The argument for keeping him therefore remains the same. Given his current value, another year isn't going to do much damage either way.

Imagine the razor blade shortage if we give him the boot merely to free up a spot on the list, and he goes on to excel elsewhere. Which is entirely possible. The kid has talent. It's between the ears that he seems to be struggling.

why would he do better elsewhere?

we have spent a fortune on the footy department including specialists in player development

Toump has gone backwards in this great enviorement. We just have to accept that another year or two isn't going to make any difference and we are better using his spot for someone else to develop into.

why would he do better elsewhere?

we have spent a fortune on the footy department including specialists in player development

Toump has gone backwards in this great enviorement. We just have to accept that another year or two isn't going to make any difference and we are better using his spot for someone else to develop into.

maybe he just needs a fresh start.. It often works in many walks of life.

Given that we just announced 4 new signings, i doubt many of the still OOC players will be around come next year.

Has talent, all between the ears. Where have we heard that before....

Thank you for highlighting one of the main things working against Toumpas with the fambase. He's come to a a club where failed first round picks has become a trademark. The patience here is a lot thinner than it would be at another club.

Treat his case on its own merits. The past is irrelevant.

Thank you for highlighting one of the main things working against Toumpas with the fambase. He's come to a a club where failed first round picks has become a trademark. The patience here is a lot thinner than it would be at another club.

True.

And we hang on to them and hang on to them and hang on to them.

Just like Watts... What's the point in trading him ? His potential is greater then his value. What would we get a pick in the late 20s, early 30s ? What's the point, would rather hold onto him then go with an unknown in the draft. If he doesn't cut it in the end like Morton then so be it