This is the best performance enhancing drug when it comes to running/oxygen carrying capacity.

It is for use on severe Asthma sufferers and Horses(illegally).

Also the drug of choice for Ben Johnson,along with Stanazanol.

Allegedly a few others as well.

I have never encountered it as a party drug although it mimics cocaine in the increased oxygen carrying capacity it provides.

They took it deliberately ,and plead guilty,the rest is crap.

This is the best performance enhancing drug when it comes to running/oxygen carrying capacity.

It is for use on severe Asthma sufferers and Horses(illegally).

Also the drug of choice for Ben Johnson,along with Stanazanol.

Allegedly a few others as well.

I have never encountered it as a party drug although it mimics cocaine in the increased oxygen carrying capacity it provides.

They took it deliberately ,and plead guilty,the rest is crap.

That covers it Biffen

collingwood calling for harsher deterrents for illicit drugs

so, it was the afl's fault after all. wouldn't have happened if there was no liberal 3 strikes rule

taking a leaf out of james' prayer book

Seeing how they were in NZ Nasher they probably thought the would not fly.

But then they are Pies Players so probably not that bright anyway

That was actually their original explanation!

That was actually their original explanation!

Spot on I forgot about that.

Surely a club should not be able to delist then rookie players banned by ASADA or WADA.

Makes no sense to me.

They should be delisted immediately, and having served theiir sentences go back in the pool like a newbie if anyone is prepared to take them.

This is the best performance enhancing drug when it comes to running/oxygen carrying capacity.

It is for use on severe Asthma sufferers and Horses(illegally).

Also the drug of choice for Ben Johnson,along with Stanazanol.

Allegedly a few others as well.

I have never encountered it as a party drug although it mimics cocaine in the increased oxygen carrying capacity it provides.

They took it deliberately ,and plead guilty,the rest is crap.

Agree. The illicit drug line sounds massaged to me. Makes the penalty easier to accept for the players, the club and the AFL. Hard to tell what the truth is, except that two young fringe players took a performance enhancing drug.

Surely a club should not be able to delist then rookie players banned by ASADA or WADA.

Makes no sense to me.

They should be delisted immediately, and having served theiir sentences go back in the pool like a newbie if anyone is prepared to take them.

They will be straight delisted, and then any club can re-draft them if they choose. Which they won't. Just like when Melbourne delisted Juice Newton and rookied him. Other clubs could've pounced, but wisely didn't.

I'm surprised Collingwood will rookie list them, I would've thought they could provide support to the players while not having them listed, and then re-draft them (as any other club could) in preparation for the 2017 season. Collingwood seem to be penalising themselves by reducing their list management options when they really don't need to.

Unless of course this was some part of the back room deal kind of like a plea bargain. "If you say this at the presser, and agree to never speak of it again, then we will put you on the rookie list".

So is this the way the story goes. 2 pies players took an illicit drug of some kind, knowing if they got caught they would only get a strike and would remain confidential. Instead karma bit them on the backside and they took a substance that was obviously laced with a performance enhancing drug.

My other point is one of them said we never set out to take a performance enhancing drug. Um what about your decision to take an illicit drug.

also then they tried to blame a steak in NZ. What a waste of footy careers.

The fine is pretty much what a rookie gets paid, isn't it?

Can't believe you would cut a party drug with clenbuterol. The only short term effect is to help relieve asthma symptoms, with no high or psych effects.

On the other hand, long term use of bute leads to anabolic effects and improving lean muscle mass.

As a dealer, you don't throw it away with a party drug. You sell it separately to body builders and athletes for regular consumption.

What I'm hearing out of the Pies sounds like an absolute crock. But the media have swallowed it.

Can't believe you would cut a party drug with clenbuterol. The only short term effect is to help relieve asthma symptoms, with no high or psych effects.

On the other hand, long term use of bute leads to anabolic effects and improving lean muscle mass.

As a dealer, you don't throw it away with a party drug. You sell it separately to body builders and athletes for regular consumption.

What I'm hearing out of the Pies sounds like an absolute crock. But the media have swallowed it.

I really wouldn't know anything about what is cut with what or not but the football media as a whole do tend to tow the party line.

Their accreditation and player access depends on it.

The rumour I had heard though was that a bunch of players were partying at an inner city festival, not just these 2 and some may have been lucky not to be tested. This lines up with the illicit drug excuse.