He is not 'bang on' - Roos was not blaming us for our predicament - he waffled his way to a critique of the mindset of Dees fans and he happened to do it after a terrible loss and with regard to fans saying we would lose on the weekend.

We are the ones attaching causation to his remarks.

I think we should do something very un-Melbourne like and take the 'slight' on the chin and leave it.

Asking for a public apology for calling us negative is more than excessive - it's ignoring the truth in his remarks.

He is not 'bang on' - Roos was not blaming us for our predicament - he waffled his way to a critique of the mindset of Dees fans and he happened to do it after a terrible loss and with regard to fans saying we would lose on the weekend.

We are the ones attaching causation to his remarks.

I think we should do something very un-Melbourne like and take the 'slight' on the chin and leave it.

Asking for a public apology for calling us negative is more than excessive - it's ignoring the truth in his remarks.

"If supporters are telling you they are expecting to lose driving to the game, there's no doubt there's a vibe that must rub off on at least a small group of players. That's just something they [the players] have got to get over. I'm sick of talking about it."

There's a "vibe" the supporters generate that must rub off on the players. That isn't causation?

Fans have every right to take some degree of offence to the comments, though it will soon be forgotten if the team can be put in two decent, spirited performances to finish off the season. Hell, maybe even a win.

He is not 'bang on' - Roos was not blaming us for our predicament - he waffled his way to a critique of the mindset of Dees fans and he happened to do it after a terrible loss and with regard to fans saying we would lose on the weekend.

We are the ones attaching causation to his remarks.

I think we should do something very un-Melbourne like and take the 'slight' on the chin and leave it.

Asking for a public apology for calling us negative is more than excessive - it's ignoring the truth in his remarks.

Even if he wasn't blaming us directly, which in his quote it seems he kind of was, but nevermind.

It is a disgrace for the club to come out and have a go at the longest suffering most loyal supporters in the competition for being negative.

Get stuffed, I pay $400 a year, and go every week to watch us play like a bunch of turds. If I want to be negative, it is my damn right and I will continue to be negative until this team can provide a semi-sustained period of mild success.

I'm not even asking for a flag, hell I'm not even asking for finals. I'm asking the team to come out every week and put in effort from minute 1 to minute 120. That is doesn't happen, is 100% the fault of the players and coaches. It has nothing to do with the fans.

To come out and use us as scapegoats to cover for a public slip of the tongue is a dumb move. Now watch them email me next month to pay up for 2016. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you poverty-stricken arse!

"If supporters are telling you they are expecting to lose driving to the game, there's no doubt there's a vibe that must rub off on at least a small group of players. That's just something they [the players] have got to get over. I'm sick of talking about it."

There's a "vibe" the supporters generate that must rub off on the players. That isn't causation?

Fans have every right to take some degree of offence to the comments, though it will soon be forgotten if the team can be put in two decent, spirited performances to finish off the season. Hell, maybe even a win.

He's simply making an observation. He is not saying the fans are not within their right to drive to a game thinking the team will lose. He's saying the small group of players need to man the [censored] up and not worry about it.

"That's just something the players have to get over".

You're trying to look for something that just isn't there.

Even if he wasn't blaming us directly, which in his quote it seems he kind of was, but nevermind.

It is a disgrace for the club to come out and have a go at the longest suffering most loyal supporters in the competition for being negative.

Get stuffed, I pay $400 a year, and go every week to watch us play like a bunch of turds. If I want to be negative, it is my damn right and I will continue to be negative until this team can provide a semi-sustained period of mild success.

I'm not even asking for a flag, hell I'm not even asking for finals. I'm asking the team to come out every week and put in effort from minute 1 to minute 120. That is doesn't happen, is 100% the fault of the players and coaches. It has nothing to do with the fans.

To come out and use us as scapegoats to cover for a public slip of the tongue is a dumb move. Now watch them email me next month to pay up for 2016. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you poverty-stricken arse!

1. He wasn't blaming us directly in any way.

2. It wasn't having "a go" at us. The club merely pointed to the negativity coming from the fanbase, which exists. No one at the club has said it isn't justified. There has been a correlation made between the negativity and how a certain group within the playing group performs, but Roos said the players "need to get over it". He didn't say fans need to stop being negative.

Perhaps Jackson and Roos shouldn't have made any references to the members and supporters at all.

If that happens, this conversation doesn't exist. Anyway, it's out there now and no good will come of it.

Lets hope it blows over but the team will still need to be at their best in the next 2 games regardless.

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He's simply making an observation. He is not saying the fans are not within their right to drive to a game thinking the team will lose. He's saying the small group of players need to man the [censored] up and not worry about it.

"That's just something the players have to get over".

You're trying to look for something that just isn't there.

1. He wasn't blaming us directly in any way.

2. It wasn't having "a go" at us. The club merely pointed to the negativity coming from the fanbase, which exists. No one at the club has said it isn't justified. There has been a correlation made between the negativity and how a certain group within the playing group performs, but Roos said the players "need to get over it". He didn't say fans need to stop being negative.

The same could be said about you

You don't want it to be correct so you read it in a way that suits yourself.

I think he should have stayed off the subject but what he said was minor until Jackson went into damage control and made it worse with his comments about Roos meaning the Members / Supporters. That is the point at which it hit the fan in a big way.

Jackson seems to have escaped criticism when IMO he is the one who made it far worse.

Needless to say the vast majority of us will carry on as usual if a bit more [censored] off than before.

The problem is that they have collectively destroyed the trust of a large number of members.

People ( including me ) have long memories the next slip up could be terminal for a large number of members.

They have taken away their safety net.

Perhaps Jackson and Roos shouldn't have made any references to the members and supporters at all.

This.

Perhaps Jackson and Roos shouldn't have made any references to the members and supporters at all.

The irony in all this is that he mentions us to convey that he gets the emails, the letters - and that he sympathises with what he has only had to deal with for 42 games.

He waxes lyrical in an attempt to let people 'in' on what Dees fans have had to put up with and how painted on the failures of the past are.

We have taken what he has said to the worst possible extreme of him pushing blame onto us for how bad we are.

How can anyone think that a special coach like Roos, in his right mind, would think that?

It wasn't eloquent, it wasn't concise, it wasn't proof read by rpfc - but it was a bloke who is better connecting to footy players than fanbases trying to say 'he gets it' when Dees fans tell him 'we have waited too long.'

Cut the Demon some slack.

The irony in all this is that he mentions us to convey that he gets the emails, the letters - and that he sympathises with what he has only had to deal with for 42 games.

He waxes lyrical in an attempt to let people 'in' on what Dees fans have had to put up with and how painted on the failures of the past are.

We have taken what he has said to the worst possible extreme of him pushing blame onto us for how bad we are.

How can anyone think that a special coach like Roos, in his right mind, would think that?

It wasn't eloquent, it wasn't concise, it wasn't proof read by rpfc - but it was a bloke who is better connecting to footy players than fanbases trying to say 'he gets it' when Dees fans tell him 'we have waited too long.'

Cut the Demon some slack.

Nice touch!

Perhaps Jackson and Roos shouldn't have made any references to the members and supporters at all.

If that happens, this conversation doesb't exist. Anyway, it's out there now and no good will come of it.

Lets hope it blows over but the team will still need to be at their best in the next 2 games regardless

Totally agree. I don't get why they did. Just dug a deeper, even messier hole.

Surely they could have done it in house - ie got the staff together and said don't worry crew we know all is positive here. Instead they gave the story more oxygen and worse, cheesed off a whole bunch of supporters, some of whom who had just paid good money to watch one of the worst displays in years on Sunday.

As I've said i'm a big fan of both but they stuffed up this one.

Totally agree. I don't get why they did. Just dug a deeper, even messier hole.

Surely they could have done it in house - ie got the staff together and said don't worry crew we know all is positive here. Instead they gave the story more oxygen and worse, cheesed off a whole bunch of supporters, some of whom who had just paid good money to watch one of the worst displays in years on Sunday.

As I've said i'm a big fan of both but they stuffed up this one.

You are IMO correct binman

Personally I think Roos meant his veil of negativity related to the whole club. I also believe he is completely correct. He was forced to back-pedal by a spineless board. They should all suck up the truth and help Roos do what he's doing. I'll say it again but you put another preseason into these guys, add Petracca, Kent, a fully fit Salem, Frost, a new recruit and a top 5 pick and our list will look 100 times better, I am astounded people are blaming Roos for speaking the truth about the wretched club he joined.

And then tools like Lyon and Lloyd come out and blame Roos. What they know about football and coaching would fit on the tip of Roos little finger,. Just shut the fuch up

The irony in all this is that he mentions us to convey that he gets the emails, the letters - and that he sympathises with what he has only had to deal with for 42 games.

He waxes lyrical in an attempt to let people 'in' on what Dees fans have had to put up with and how painted on the failures of the past are.

We have taken what he has said to the worst possible extreme of him pushing blame onto us for how bad we are.

How can anyone think that a special coach like Roos, in his right mind, would think that?

It wasn't eloquent, it wasn't concise, it wasn't proof read by rpfc - but it was a bloke who is better connecting to footy players than fanbases trying to say 'he gets it' when Dees fans tell him 'we have waited too long.'

Cut the Demon some slack.

In my opinion the clubs greatest asset is it's members and supporters. So why would those in charge want to poke the bear?- however flippantly they might have done it.

For what its worth I do cut those in charge some slack - constantly. I'll always allow people to make some unforced errors.

I'm more thinking of those members and supporters who might end up being disaffected by the unfortunate comments. As always, it's about the bigger picture.

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And then tools like Lyon and Lloyd come out and blame Roos. What they know about football and coaching would fit on the tip of Roos little finger,. Just shut the fuch up

Lyon likes to think hes a footy expert, reality is he knows bugger all and stayed in the cushy media rather than put his balls on the line and try coaching.

Lyon likes to think hes a footy expert, reality is he knows bugger all and stayed in the cushy media rather than put his balls on the line and try coaching.

Do you blame him?

Who with half a brain would be an AFL coach when you can make a lot of money being a commentator with little responsibility.

Do you blame him?

Who with half a brain would be an AFL coach when you can make a lot of money being a commentator with little responsibility.

What about the desire to lead the MFC to a flag, something he couldn't achieve as captain

What about the desire to lead the MFC to a flag, something he couldn't achieve as captain

He knows the place too well.

https://youtu.be/qjr8gHTpL8E

Paul's next end of match meeting with the scarred MFC players.

The irony in all this is that he mentions us to convey that he gets the emails, the letters - and that he sympathises with what he has only had to deal with for 42 games.

He waxes lyrical in an attempt to let people 'in' on what Dees fans have had to put up with and how painted on the failures of the past are.

We have taken what he has said to the worst possible extreme of him pushing blame onto us for how bad we are.

How can anyone think that a special coach like Roos, in his right mind, would think that?

It wasn't eloquent, it wasn't concise, >>> it wasn't proof read by rpfc <<< - but it was a bloke who is better connecting to footy players than fanbases trying to say 'he gets it' when Dees fans tell him 'we have waited too long.'

Cut the Demon some slack.

RP I fear you may have been severely influenced by BBO's regular self flagellations on here. I might need to speak with BBO about this as it appears to be rubbing off on a few too many D'landers

we've now had 7 players make their AFL debut for us. 7 kids! add to that the other few guys making their Melbourne debut and it is no wonder we are so inconsistent

whether we like to admit it or not, we are in year 2 of a fully-blown re-build. That is Roos' reality. Dees supporters reality is this is year 9 but we started at ground zero last year

unless we recruit 3-4 ready made senior players for next year we are no chance of playing finals. especially when you look at the teams that missed out this year

hopefully we continue to improve and win ~10 games next year. and us supporters will have to suck it up (again) and find some more patience (again!) and wait until Brayshaw/Trac etc are tearing it up in 2017

whether we like to admit it or not, we are in year 2 of a fully-blown re-build. That is Roos' reality. Dees supporters reality is this is year 9 but we started at ground zero last year

This is a key point and something I've taken a while to get my head around.

This is a key point and something I've taken a while to get my head around.

Yes, it's something I have fought with myself. Yes, we have brought in some experience but the changes have been so many and the predominant inclusions have been younger players.

To think that we will easily reach 30 changes to the list inside 3 years...

Yet look at how we played in the Richmond, Bulldogs and Geelong wins, and you'll see the opposite of what you're saying here.

The issue isn't whether the players are capable of playing tough, contested, physical football. They've shown they are. They problem is consistency. Whether that's between the ears or a physical thing, who knows, but we don't have the right on-field attitude weekly, which is a problem Roos needs to address.

Surely that may be so I am not sure yet but the fact that they dont bring intensity to every game IS A BIG ISSUE and Roos hasnt been able to fix it

we've now had 7 players make their AFL debut for us. 7 kids! add to that the other few guys making their Melbourne debut and it is no wonder we are so inconsistent

whether we like to admit it or not, we are in year 2 of a fully-blown re-build. That is Roos' reality. Dees supporters reality is this is year 9 but we started at ground zero last year

unless we recruit 3-4 ready made senior players for next year we are no chance of playing finals. especially when you look at the teams that missed out this year

hopefully we continue to improve and win ~10 games next year. and us supporters will have to suck it up (again) and find some more patience (again!) and wait until Brayshaw/Trac etc are tearing it up in 2017

Dont care how many players you bring in

Without the required Intensity we are going nowhere. Why cant Roos fix this basic part of a team sport

That is the Issue!