Recruited a coach who has planned his exit from day one, a bunch of battlers past over by their own clubs, Cross, Vince, Labumba, Garlett, Dawes, add our aging ruckmen Jamar to that brew, should have followed the true course like the Bulldogs and Saints youth policy, not much to look forward too, except our next loss.

GTFO

Pederson was nowhere near as useful as Dawes today. I can't believe I have read that. Pedo was serviceable and did ok, but Dawes creates more if a contest and gets in better positions. We missed him today

has beans

FFS it's 'has-beens' as in, 'used to BE good'

it is not some type of bean, like Heinz might mix with tomato sauce and sell cans of

I believe roos lost this game at the selection table last Thursday night

We have injuries and no depth.

You want him to fart magical A grade players do you?

Jesus I can't believe people are getting stuck into Roos. 4 other coaches lost to Freo this season, and 13 more will experience the same fate soon.

They are premiership bound for goodness sake and we are just getting out of the bottom 4 and have some key injuries and no depth.

Get a grip.

The miss by Garlett running into an open goal was massive in the scheme of things.

not as big as the 50 against him

Worst decision of the day, we had the momentum and then that awful decision took the wind right out of our sail

We have injuries and no depth.

You want him to fart magical A grade players do you?

Jesus I can't believe people are getting stuck into Roos. 4 other coaches lost to Freo this season, and 13 more will experience the same fate soon.

They are premiership bound for goodness sake and we are just getting out of the bottom 4 and have some key injuries and no depth.

Get a grip.

settle , settle

I'm not having a go at roos, I just believe we made blunders at the selection table

I thought what was most disappointing was that right from the start it always seemed like an exercise in minimisation: keeping the losing margin as low as possible.

I never felt as though the team was confident it *could* win.

Once the last started though, as Roos said the team effort went out the window and players just lost the plot. Ignore open teammates, tried taking on 30 players, snapping ridiculous shots on goal.

They went back into, "We're losing so stuff it!" mode. Before that though it was, "Let's see how long we can keep up with them" mode.

It was a clinic from the opening bounce.

The trouble is, chasing tail for 3 quarters like we'd done is far more taxing physically than if you've got the ball and making the running, like Freo were.

We made some great attempts in the first 10 mins of the last to try to drag ourselves back into the game, but only got 3 behinds. If they were 3.0 or 2.1 instead of 0.3, we may have been able to put pressure on them. But we were on our last legs, and once they got a goal cos we again set up stupidly at stoppages like we'd done all day, the result was inevitable.

I think freo are just a seriously good team, we had lapses and they made us pay but considering the outs we have I thought most of the game we were fairly competitive and if we took our opportunities and used the ball a bit better we could have won. I don't think that last quarter lapse would have happened if we felt we could win

settle , settle

I'm not having a go at roos, I just believe we made blunders at the selection table

Not to sure about that,good for discussion but really hard to point the finger unless you are in the match committee and know the reasons for the team selected.

Maybe look at the Saints and Bulldogs, pass off has beans to teams like Melbourne, and spend time developing youth, really what does Cross bring, small slow, horrific disposal, our Bernie, was gassed on the bench after running with Fyfe for five minutes after threating all sorts of exploits in the press during the week,, going in with Jamar against Sandilands. you don't question one flag Roos, ok well he is done next year along with Labumba, Jamar, Vince and Cross.

The difference between us and Dogs & Saints is they've got great senior leadership in Murphy & Boyd & Morris, and Riewoldt & Montagna & Fisher respectively. We didn't.

We had no choice but to import our senior leadership - in fact, straight into the leadership group in most cases. It's not complicated.

As of this monday i want Roosy to tell Vince to not do a tag on anyone and go out and play his attacking game again. To go back to playing his 2014 form.

Vince is not a tagger.. it was a one night stand with Dangerfield.

Did pretty well on Cotchin last week.

I'm not surprised at this loss. Roos has been telling me for ages now that we were hopeless ("the worse it got the more interested I became") and although we have made some progress we still had miles to go to be a good team. He's also been telling me good teams like Freo and Hawks are.

Personally I believe him as I'm sure the players took it on board as well. I went along today expecting to be thrashed as I'm sure the players did. He was right of course and I thank him for warning me.

I haven't read this thread but I'm sure McKenzie, Watts and Grimes have been mentioned but our leaders were dreadful and were the reason we finished as poorly as we did.

If you saw it coming maybe you should have fired off this post 24 hours ago. It's a bit rich coming now. You went early on Neeld and you were right and I too would prefer our coach to be a little more positive about his appraisals of the team but this post comes across as grandstanding. What do you really want to say about Roos?

for sure

all you need to do is look at the difference between the way the players were structured/manned-up when they had possession streaming out of the backlin/into attack. When Freo had the ball there were loose men everywhere and when we had the ball we could only find contests. Yes, it is partly to do with the fact that the Freo players are smarter and work harder thanmany of our blokes, but nonetheless the opposition was employing a positioning strategy that absolutely destroyed us, and it went on all day without Roos seeming to even TRY to fix it

It is ALL to do with the fact Freos players are more structured/smarter and work harder. Better disposal doesn't hurt either. The structure was fine but you need to have players busting their arse as soon as we get possession to run into space.

We shouldn't get too down on this game. Freo are the form team of the comp and very much looking a flag threat. They are a mature side with one of the comps best ruckman and midfielders and just bigger, stronger, faster and more disciplined/structured all round. They gave us a football lesson today and we're not the last team they'll do that to this year.

not as big as the 50 against him

Worst decision of the day, we had the momentum and then that awful decision took the wind right out of our sail

I'd love to know if that was technically correct becuase he was so close to the player (even though he kept his hands away and did not interfere) or if they thought he ran through the mark.

Our two implosions have both occurred when a really potent attacking midfield has totally dominated our collection of workhorses. Freo's midfield probably the most potent in the game, even over Port.

Was always a danger, main thing I'll be taking from it is that we held onto them for more than half the match, aside from getting jumped at the start and wilting under the pressure late.

6.14 is a worry, and part of a worrying pattern this season. Better accuracy and the reports would just be 'Freo beat the Demons as any sane person expected', rather than 'Demons thrashed'.

Sydney will be interesting. Definitely a very, very good midfield but they still rely on key forwards for a lot of their goalkicking, and they came a bit unstuck that way against the Dogs in the wet.

Not to sure about that,good for discussion but really hard to point the finger unless you are in the match committee and know the reasons for the team selected.

it's just my thoughts on today's outcome

I'd love to know if that was technically correct becuase he was so close to the player (even though he kept his hands away and did not interfere) or if they thought he ran through the mark.

either way it's completely technical, against the spirit of the game BS that NOBODY wants to see

just use common sense you maggots

I'd love to know if that was technically correct becuase he was so close to the player (even though he kept his hands away and did not interfere) or if they thought he ran through the mark.

i felt that the freo player ran into the area that garlett was occupying and not garlett running into the "protected" area

Our two implosions have both occurred when a really potent attacking midfield has totally dominated our collection of workhorses. Freo's midfield probably the most potent in the game, even over Port.

Was always a danger, main thing I'll be taking from it is that we held onto them for more than half the match, aside from getting jumped at the start and wilting under the pressure late.

6.14 is a worry, and part of a worrying pattern this season. Better accuracy and the reports would just be 'Freo beat the Demons as any sane person expected', rather than 'Demons thrashed'.

Sydney will be interesting. Definitely a very, very good midfield but they still rely on key forwards for a lot of their goalkicking, and they came a bit unstuck that way against the Dogs in the wet.

Our overall accuracy this year is 50.59.

29 of the 50 goals have been in two games, meaning we've scored 21 goals in the three losses (including 7.13 against Adelaide, which didn't help our cause there, and 1.5 in the second half against GWS).

So Vince, Cross, Labumba Jamar, Dawes and Roos are our future, laughable, Bulldogs and Saints seem ok without desperately seeking has beans who will all be gone in two years .

All our goals today were kicked by players who weren't at Melbourne last year...

either way it's completely technical, against the spirit of the game BS that NOBODY wants to see

just use common sense you maggots

Complete [censored] decision. He had no time to get out of the way as the Freo player was still completing his follow through straight at him.

How does one set up a poll?

I want to ask - "what team does bluey support"? Because sure as hell he does nothing to support Melbourne

Karma struck once today when Pavlich chose to try to run through Garland after marking. Hope it hurt, Pav. Stupid act.

oh look who's changing their opinion on something the moment we have a loss

two weeks ago you were like 'OMG Vince best tagger EVA'

lightweight

Where did i say Vince was the best tagger eva you absolutely [censored].

our midfield isn't winning enough of the ball. We need guys who are natural ball winners like Vince to play on their natural ability. As i said the Dangerfield game was a one night. Im glad he was given the tagging role but now we need his ball winning ability.

Back into that hole of yours.

Beat Ballantyne comprehensively

Ummmm I think Garland had the job most of the day ? Thought grimes had Mayne for the best part and was comprehensively beaten