Interestingly enough, Buckley made the comment that '...premierships are won by your bottom six, not your top six....' alluding to the evidence that if every player does their role well, the rewards will come.

Interesting debate: Our bottom six? Bail? Jordie? M Jones? Col?

Thoughts?

Interestingly enough, Buckley made the comment that '...premierships are won by your bottom six, not your top six....' alluding to the evidence that if every player does their role well, the rewards will come.

Interesting debate: Our bottom six? Bail? Jordie? M Jones? Col?

Thoughts?

Then we are not winning one anytime soon jr.

But that is hardly news I guess.

Not hard to pick our top 6 but picking the bottom six is another matter.

A big selection list to chose from.

Think you're being a bit over the top here. Sure he's more of an outside player, but its not like he's had zero contested possessions. You'll no doubt highlight several occasions where he has been pushed off the drop of the ball but I've seen him take plenty of contested marks.

I hope I didn't just open pandoras box here.

I think you need to read the statement again in context

Then we are not winning one anytime soon jr.

But that is hardly news I guess.

Not hard to pick our top 6 but picking the bottom six is another matter.

A big selection list to chose from.

Therein lies the whole problem od....too many to choose from.

What we need is a 'bottom six' that does its role....

Lol what a pack of vultures what 4 on 1 have fun all you doom and gloomers insulters and bullies

Meanwhile I stop coming here from now and look fwd to season 2015 and beyond ta ta and farwell

forgodssakedommystopspittingthedummytoughenuypandsmelltherosesitsonlyafanforumafterallbutwedoappreciategoodgrammarandreadability

Lol what a pack of vultures what 4 on 1 have fun all you doom and gloomers insulters and bullies

Meanwhile I stop coming here from now and look fwd to season 2015 and beyond ta ta and farwell

What?

Then we are not winning one anytime soon jr.

But that is hardly news I guess.

Not hard to pick our top 6 but picking the bottom six is another matter.

A big selection list to chose from.

I think OD that this is the area where we will make the most progress.

I think we will finish the season without a bonafide star but with more players that are of AFL standard.

Interestingly enough, Buckley made the comment that '...premierships are won by your bottom six, not your top six....' alluding to the evidence that if every player does their role well, the rewards will come.

Interesting debate: Our bottom six? Bail? Jordie? M Jones? Col?

Thoughts?

If anything wakes H from his slumber it will be a discussion of the worth of the bottom six versus the top six.

I couldn't disagree more with Buckley. The Malthouse Pies in his early years contained a very thin list and some very average role players but they had star power. Buckley, Burns, Clement, Rocca, Tarrant and Didak were a pretty handy top six. Their bottom six was easily replaceable by similar standard players. McKee, Steinfort, Freeborn, Lonie, Cole, Lokan, Kinnear and Jason Cloke all played in their 2002/2003 grand finals. Even players like Wakelin and Presti were workmanlike and Holland and Johnson had flaws. Licuria and O'Bree were poor kicks. It was their stars that elevated them to grand final status.

If we win a few games in the first 6 rounds.

unfortunately it's unlikely

Interestingly enough, Buckley made the comment that '...premierships are won by your bottom six, not your top six....' alluding to the evidence that if every player does their role well, the rewards will come.

Interesting debate: Our bottom six? Bail? Jordie? M Jones? Col?

Thoughts?

Another draft or two before we have a good bottom six.

Another draft or two before we have a good bottom six.

I don't necessarily agree. We just need to get some game time into half of them (and/or have them recover from injury):

N. Jones

Tyson

Viney

Petracca

Brayshaw

Trengove (I hope!)

We also have Cross, Vince, JKH, Vandenberg, Neal-Bullen, Stretch, Newton, etc to add depth. Sure it will be nice to import a "gun" but we cannot keep using the excuse that we need 'another draft or two' when we have a good coaching structure now in place to develop our own. In the six that I have nominated, there are already four top three draft picks which is more than some teams can boast with the exception of the Suns and GWS. It is time for some self-belief rather than continually trotting out the same lame excuses because we already have the cattle and should not have to wait for a Dangerfield to come in to lift us!

Last time I am going to try explain my points to all.

The initial grammar comment I got quite simply as they say rubbed me up the wrong way.

I felt it was someone having a dig at me because of the way he said it.

Sometimes the internet has a way of making it look like your saying something you dont really mean or intend and I have only ever had that remark of check your grammar and so on (not an exact quote of what was said) put to me on the internet whenever someone is trying to start an argument youtube facebook great examples.

Especially with the arguments that have circled on here the last few weeks in particular a few f head and moron comments have been flown around everyone.

If that is not true and just a case of I say tomarto you say tomayto like miscommunication on MY behalf than I will man up and admit my bad took it the wrong way sorry mate jumped the gun wont happen again and were on our merry way yeh

Now I'm trying to be reasonable and non offensive so If the people involved want to reply please do the same If the opposite happens I will not log back in and waste time with a reply

and to sir paul roos topic starter sorry for my part of another topic derailer its a great topic idea and nice to have some positivity among our suffering supporter base as we have been for far to long and agree things ARE looking up

Another draft or two before we have a good bottom six.

Yes and no, could it be another year or two into some of our younger players?

Last time I am going to try explain my points to all.

The initial grammar comment I got quite simply as they say rubbed me up the wrong way.

I felt it was someone having a dig at me because of the way he said it.

Sometimes the internet has a way of making it look like your saying something you dont really mean or intend and I have only ever had that remark of check your grammar and so on (not an exact quote of what was said) put to me on the internet whenever someone is trying to start an argument youtube facebook great examples.

Especially with the arguments that have circled on here the last few weeks in particular a few f head and moron comments have been flown around everyone.

If that is not true and just a case of I say tomarto you say tomayto like miscommunication on MY behalf than I will man up and admit my bad took it the wrong way sorry mate jumped the gun wont happen again and were on our merry way yeh

Now I'm trying to be reasonable and non offensive so If the people involved want to reply please do the same If the opposite happens I will not log back in and waste time with a reply

and to sir paul roos topic starter sorry for my part of another topic derailer its a great topic idea and nice to have some positivity among our suffering supporter base as we have been for far to long and agree things ARE looking up

good man.....stay cool......have fun

Interestingly enough, Buckley made the comment that '...premierships are won by your bottom six, not your top six....' alluding to the evidence that if every player does their role well, the rewards will come.

Interesting debate: Our bottom six? Bail? Jordie? M Jones? Col?

Thoughts?

I can see where Buck's is coming from but 5-6 elite players also helps. Hawks/Cats/Swans and Freo all have 5-6 elite players. Yes Geelongs are getting on. Didn't Hawks have 8-9 AA this year or last? (Can't remember but my mate assures me they did).

We have Nate Jones, Tyson has the potential to become elite but I wouldn't say he is there yet. H....you could make a case but you get my point.

With regards to bottom six, I posted today in the "starting 22 round 1" thread about moving battlers on the list on in favour of young players with potential.

Last time I am going to try explain my points to all.

The initial grammar comment I got quite simply as they say rubbed me up the wrong way.

I felt it was someone having a dig at me because of the way he said it.

Sometimes the internet has a way of making it look like your saying something you dont really mean or intend and I have only ever had that remark of check your grammar and so on (not an exact quote of what was said) put to me on the internet whenever someone is trying to start an argument youtube facebook great examples.

Especially with the arguments that have circled on here the last few weeks in particular a few f head and moron comments have been flown around everyone.

If that is not true and just a case of I say tomarto you say tomayto like miscommunication on MY behalf than I will man up and admit my bad took it the wrong way sorry mate jumped the gun wont happen again and were on our merry way yeh

Now I'm trying to be reasonable and non offensive so If the people involved want to reply please do the same If the opposite happens I will not log back in and waste time with a reply

and to sir paul roos topic starter sorry for my part of another topic derailer its a great topic idea and nice to have some positivity among our suffering supporter base as we have been for far to long and agree things ARE looking up

Good work Dommy. We are all Dees supporters after all.

I for one enjoyed reading your posts, reminds me of my old mate Enyaw

good man.....stay cool......have fun

This is quite the change of heart from the biggest urger on the board.

This is quite the change of heart from the biggest urger on the board.

your ability to read the entrails is as flawed as your posting, col

Must i be reminded of 2013?

Round 2 was the worst performance i have ever witnessed in AFL/VFL Competition.

It was a disgrace to all that the club was allowed to get anywhere near that level

Thankfully PJ accepted the invitation to clean the club out and literally start again.

And the worst part about it was they played Neelds pre game speech before the game, followed by a 148 point belting. Humiliating.

I can see where Buck's is coming from but 5-6 elite players also helps. Hawks/Cats/Swans and Freo all have 5-6 elite players. Yes Geelongs are getting on. Didn't Hawks have 8-9 AA this year or last? (Can't remember but my mate assures me they did).

We have Nate Jones, Tyson has the potential to become elite but I wouldn't say he is there yet. H....you could make a case but you get my point.

With regards to bottom six, I posted today in the "starting 22 round 1" thread about moving battlers on the list on in favour of young players with potential.

Agreed Al if you don't have that core elite six players you don't get to finish top four. The bottom six may make the difference in a grand final but the top six get you through the 22 home and always and the early finals to give you a shot at it. A good bottom six without an elite top 6 won't get you very far at all.

I want to know what happened after 2010.

GWS

your ability to read the entrails is as flawed as your posting, col

Gawd. You really are pressed for entertainment options out there if you have to revert to slaughtering animals. I can just picture you now hiding in the bushes to ambush some poor possum or stray cat.

Gawd. You really are pressed for entertainment options out there if you have to revert to slaughtering animals. I can just picture you now hiding in the bushes to ambush some poor possum or stray cat.

thanks col, you just confirmed my observation

thanks col, you just confirmed my observation

Who needs to slaughter animals anyway when spatilomancy is so much easier and more accurate?

This page should be helpful in working out the best method for predicting what's going to happen this season: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methods_of_divination

Some of those methods are much more fun than listening to experts.

Last time I am going to try explain my points to all.

The initial grammar comment I got quite simply as they say rubbed me up the wrong way.

I felt it was someone having a dig at me because of the way he said it.

Sometimes the internet has a way of making it look like your saying something you dont really mean or intend and I have only ever had that remark of check your grammar and so on (not an exact quote of what was said) put to me on the internet whenever someone is trying to start an argument youtube facebook great examples.

Especially with the arguments that have circled on here the last few weeks in particular a few f head and moron comments have been flown around everyone.

If that is not true and just a case of I say tomarto you say tomayto like miscommunication on MY behalf than I will man up and admit my bad took it the wrong way sorry mate jumped the gun wont happen again and were on our merry way yeh

Now I'm trying to be reasonable and non offensive so If the people involved want to reply please do the same If the opposite happens I will not log back in and waste time with a reply

and to sir paul roos topic starter sorry for my part of another topic derailer its a great topic idea and nice to have some positivity among our suffering supporter base as we have been for far to long and agree things ARE looking up

I didn't mean it to be mean, you accepted that, back to topic.