500k ( after tax 270k ) per year is $5182 per week ( including super ) not bad Jezza . Im sure they have good accountants that reduce thetax rate .

Is that envy I smell?

If it ultimately came down to losing howe and keeping hogan, there is absolutely no fuckign question in my mind who i would keep:

Im interested in why people say he should play forward.

IMO he is na much better defender than he is a forward. Although maybe his time spent as a defender will have taught him a lot and he will be an even better forward if he goes back there.

As with all things though - in Roos we trust.

maybe he's becoming a better footballer after playing down back, & maybe that is saving his AFL career by helping him become a better player

its not to say he will return to the front one day, as abetter player than when he left the front?

If it ultimately came down to losing howe and keeping hogan, there is absolutely no fuckign question in my mind who i would keep:

We've got some great kids coming through who you would think command a decent salary pretty soon

Hogan's contract is up in 2017. If he isn't worth $1mil a year by then something has gone very wrong

Plus Brayshaw, Petrecca, Salem, Viney, Tyson, etc

We also have Garland out of contract at year's end, and I know who I want to keep more.

As much as I'd love to keep Howe, the reality is he ain't worth what his manager is apparently asking for.

For the right price I'd like him to stay, but if it's money he's chasing, I wish him luck.

Doubt anyone but GWS would be in a position to pay him that sort of cash, in which case I am confident we can strike a good deal. Luckily GWS won't finish anywhere near the bottom, so we can play hardball and try to get a decent trade for him.

Luckily GWS won't finish anywhere near the bottom, so we can play hardball and try to get a decent trade for him.

I don't get you - wouldn't we want GWS to have as high a pick as possible if that's the pick we will be getting for Howe?

OK, MFC I get. But SS?

MFC Supporter Syndrome. A currently incurable malady. It's thought that a premiership will be the magic bullet, but like many such cures, it may be many years away.

It doesn't work like that anymore. If he doesn't have a contract he will become a Delisted FA in a similar way to Newton (see previous post).

More and more clubs will line up OOC players and wait till they get delisted (which has to happen if player doesn't have a contract) and they get their player for zip.

The D-FA, UFA and FA system, could well spell the end of player trades for players in demand! The AFLPA/AFL have opened Pandora's box! We just have be really clever at how we play this FA poker game.

No this is wrong. He is only a DFA if we delist him. If we offer a contract and he doesn't sign then he is uncontracted not delisted. Otherwise every player coming out of contract would automatically be a FA.

John Ralph thinks we'll have to offer Howe 650k plus to keep him.

Hopefully we get a decent trade for him.

You don't pay that much for flankers. Unless he can demonstrate he can go through the middle, I think we will assess our options. Howe is an asset to us in that other clubs rate him more than he is actually worth, we would be stupid not to test the market let alone blow 650k a year on him.

I'd like him to stay, but I also trust the current FD to get full value out of any trade, so I'm not fussed about the outcome of this.

Strange that his manager would say he's open to a move and Jeremy would say he 100% wants to stay, mixed messages make them both look a bit silly to me, especially if Jeremy ends up leaving.

Mixed messages makes for a better negotiation for the player. Howe says he wants to stay and the manager puts it out that there is large money on the table for a move - IMO there is a single message - Howe wants to stay but at a price - I have no idea of what that price is.

Edited April 29, 201510 yr by nutbean

haha good pickup.........maybe he was relating him to john blackman an ex 3aw radio man

DC you seem to know a lot about 3AW personnel, any connection.

DC you seem to know a lot about 3AW personnel, any connection.

nup, just old with a reasonable (sometimes) memory

btw he hasn't been on 3aw for a longtime, wasn't there long anyway, has been on heaps of diff radio stations

i mainly remember him from hey hey it's saturday

I don't get you - wouldn't we want GWS to have as high a pick as possible if that's the pick we will be getting for Howe?

Yes, but what I mean is that Howe can't threaten to walk into the PSD etc... since GWS won't be finishing near the bottom

Doubt he wants to end up at Brisbane.

Also I'd rather trade Howe and our 1st draft pick for someone of Sheil's quality.

Agree with most of the comments which are well balanced. In all contract negotiations, the Club has to make a judgement between the $ demanded by the player or his manager against his worth in a developing team with all the downstream implications for salary relativities between players and the salary cap. You can't blame the player or the club as it has become a ruthless professional business. it has become an expedient business on both sides. Player loyalty needs to be viewed in the context of this increasingly business/dollars driven approach. From a players point of view loyalty only goes as far as the player and his managers view of his price on the open market, just as that call is made by the club. In other words no different from the wider employment market. Sure, we have exceptions where players decide to stay with a club for less $ due to their loyalty and indeed love for the club. Nathan Jones probably fits into that category in the past although now I assume he is being very well looked after. The late great Robbie Flower is another one. Melbourne and all clubs do look after their marque players and pay them well . In this case, loyalty and being paid top dollar have a symbiotic relationship. It seems to me that we cannot demand loyalty or abuse players for lack of loyalty and at the same time take the view or openly argue that a player should be traded because of his perceived greed or lack of value to the team. Most of us still have a romantic notion about club loyalty. However, in today's football meat market this is unwise. We cannot have it both ways.

Also I'd rather trade Howe and our 1st draft pick for someone of Sheil's quality.

This is absolutely my tip for how(e) it will play out. Roosy will use the loss of a secondary player to land the big fish he almost landed last year

No this is wrong. He is only a DFA if we delist him. If we offer a contract and he doesn't sign then he is uncontracted not delisted. Otherwise every player coming out of contract would automatically be a FA.

If a player is uncontracted the club has little choice but to delist them. That is what Newton did at Port, altho Port obliged him.

Yes, it is a risk that any player OOC could become an DFA. It is another flaw in the whole FA.

The OOC risk is another reason why more good players will be traded out the year before becoming an OOC player or UFA/FA, it looks like they won't stay

Edited April 29, 201510 yr by Lucifer's Hero

If a player is uncontracted the club has little choice but to delist them.

i have to disagree with this. the definitely have choices

it is only likely if there has been a good degree of co-operation/understanding between club and player

if the club felt they had been manipulated or blind-sided i suspect they wouldn't delist them and let them take their chances in the draft

i have to disagree with this. the definitely have choices

it is only likely if there has been a good degree of co-operation/understanding between club and player

if the club felt they had been manipulated or blind-sided i suspect they wouldn't delist them and let them take their chances in the draft

Fair point

Howe and lets say our first pick (Let's call it 6) to GWS for Dylan Shiel - absofreakinlutely.

Howe can take hangers up in Western Sydney for awhile and we will get on with winning a premiership

If a player is uncontracted the club has little choice but to delist them. That is what Newton did at Port, altho Port obliged him.

Yes, it is a risk that any player OOC could become an DFA. It is another flaw in the whole FA.

The OOC risk is another reason why more good players will be traded out the year before becoming an OOC player or UFA/FA, it looks like they won't stay

This is not how the DFA works. We got Newton as a DFA because Port agreed to delist him. They didn't have to, they did so to do the "right thing" by him considering they wouldn't give him game time. Howe is a different situation and no way we would let him walk as a DFA, we will be getting something back in return if he doesn't sign or wants too much.

This is not how the DFA works. We got Newton as a DFA because Port agreed to delist him. They didn't have to, they did so to do the "right thing" by him considering they wouldn't give him game time. Howe is a different situation and no way we would let him walk as a DFA, we will be getting something back in return if he doesn't sign or wants too much.

Roos works this way and has shown he is not difficult to deal with at trade time.

I would expect we either keep Jeremy, which I hope we do or do a good deal for a players/players/picks in return.

Either way rjay we won't dip out as a result.

i probably missed something

but why so much talk about shiel leaving gws?

when the wish becomes rumour, it's a fact.

i probably missed something

but why so much talk about shiel leaving gws?

isn't he one of the many 'contact talks on hold' players?