Surely we should, now that C'Wood are getting him, be looking to prise their pick 7 from them. If we hold 6+7 that can make something big happen. Now, clearly 7 for Howe is fanciful - so in order to make it happen we need to either a) sweeten it for C'Wood with the use of another pick/player (unfortunately we only have pick43 to play with due to the Melksham trade) OR b) it needs to be a trade that involves a 3rd party. That HAS to be our goal at this point. THEN the question is, what do we do with 6+7? Just because it's not on the radar at the moment, doesn't mean it can't just spring out of nowhere like the trades that got us Vince, Tyson and Clark. I refuse to give up just yet that they aren't brewing something special in the caulron.

I agree in principle, but their first rounder for both years is basically on it's way to GWS for Treloar. So that doesn't leave us much wiggle room in getting something good in return for Howe unless we can pry one of their players loose.

Howe and pick 43 for Kennedy and pick 27 is completely underwhelming.

Id rather we be assholes and let him slip to the psd.

Edited October 16, 20159 yr by Ethan Tremblay

Love how Collingwood go after the big guns then they're like oh no, we have no good pics to trade anymore, our only currency is our rejects, you'll have to do a deal for them.. I see right through them!

Like melb with melksham? Yet when we do it we are weak according to some posters

According to some.

I've been staunch - don't stupidly overpay, but get it done.

I agree in principle, but their first rounder for both years is basically on it's way to GWS for Treloar. So that doesn't leave us much wiggle room in getting something good in return for Howe unless we can pry one of their players loose.

Wise I've told you the answer, if we can get it done.

Howe to Pies.

Seedsman and Freeman and Toumpas picks to Dees. ( 3 second rounders.) If Anderson is worth 15, then Howe is worth 2 middle second rounders at least.

Kennedy thrown in to us, or for late pick.

Our 3 picks from above deals to GWS for 8, plus because we have well over 200 point difference, which the AFL won't allow, they throw in Bugg and maybe Tomlinson. Maybe we add a late pick.

We offer 6 and 8 to GC for 3 and Prestia. If needed, we add something like a player or pick that might come from another trade, like say Grimes somewhere.

The above would be easier to do as they can be isolated deals. Toumpas single deal. Howe for 2 picks single deal. GWS picks for pick single deal. GC single deal.

If we end up with 8 and can't do the Prestia deal, we go to draft with 6 and 8.

Anyone got anything better and easier to achieve.

Wise I've told you the answer, if we can get it done.

Howe to Pies.

Seedsman and Freeman and Toumpas picks to Dees. ( 3 second rounders.) If Anderson is worth 15, then Howe is worth 2 middle second rounders at least.

Kennedy thrown in to us, or for late pick.

Our 3 picks from above deals to GWS for 8, plus because we have well over 200 point difference, which the AFL won't allow, they throw in Bugg and maybe Tomlinson. Maybe we add a late pick.

We offer 6 and 8 to GC for 3 and Prestia. If needed, we add something like a player or pick that might come from another trade, like say Grimes somewhere.

The above would be easier to do as they can be isolated deals. Toumpas single deal. Howe for 2 picks single deal. GWS picks for pick single deal. GC single deal.

If we end up with 8 and can't do the Prestia deal, we go to draft with 6 and 8.

Anyone got anything better and easier to achieve.

I like your optimism however this is J Mahoney we talking about. He takes 4 days to do a straight pick of Melksham for pick 25.

The above scenario would mean he needs to increase his output by at least 5-6 fold to achieve with everything working in our favour.

Love the scenario and optimism but J Mahoney is not capable of delivering.

It will be Howe and pick 43 for Kennedy and pick 27.

Collingwood will dictate the terms on this one.

I'd like something a little closer to 20. Then offload Toumpas to Port for a second rounder. Then package those picks up and make an approach to GWS for pick 8.

I'd like something a little closer to 20. Then offload Toumpas to Port for a second rounder. Then package those picks up and make an approach to GWS for pick 8.

Pick 20 and 29 for pick 8 will get trumped by Essendon.

Wise I've told you the answer, if we can get it done.

Howe to Pies.

Seedsman and Freeman and Toumpas picks to Dees. ( 3 second rounders.) If Anderson is worth 15, then Howe is worth 2 middle second rounders at least.

Kennedy thrown in to us, or for late pick.

Our 3 picks from above deals to GWS for 8, plus because we have well over 200 point difference, which the AFL won't allow, they throw in Bugg and maybe Tomlinson. Maybe we add a late pick.

We offer 6 and 8 to GC for 3 and Prestia. If needed, we add something like a player or pick that might come from another trade, like say Grimes somewhere.

The above would be easier to do as they can be isolated deals. Toumpas single deal. Howe for 2 picks single deal. GWS picks for pick single deal. GC single deal.

If we end up with 8 and can't do the Prestia deal, we go to draft with 6 and 8.

Anyone got anything better and easier to achieve.

Just thinking out loud here. So Seedsman is a pick 32 from Crows? What will St.Kilda give to get Freeman? They will have to shake loose a 2nd rounder out of Essendon in the Carlisle trade or give up their current second rounder to Collingwood for Freeman so that Collingwood will to be able to give us two 2nd round picks.

MFC would recieve pick 29 from Port for Toumpas & pick 26 from Collingwood for Howe. Collingwood then on trade the Seedsman pick 32 to us. I don't see how we are going to pay for Kennedy if Collingwood want a second rounder for him other than letting them keep pick 32. If they keep 32 we won't have the currency to beat other teams in a trade with GWS.

You believe Collingwood will give up two second rounders for Howe & give us Kennedy? It could work but a lot of Clubs are going to have to work together to make it work. Once one club digs their heels in the deal would be dead. I don't see how any of these hypotheticals are going to help us as Collingwood are trading for Treloar & Aish & they will have no picks left to give us anything of note for Howe if those deals go through. We are better off telling Collingwood at the moment you have nothing to give us that helps out position, we are only open to a trade for Howe when you can give us X that you can trade to us to help us get pick 8 out of GWS. Until then we are doing the deal with GC.

I think the original plan was to try get involved with the Dixon trade by involving Toumpas, Howe & pick 6 to help satisfy Port & GC. If we deal with Collingwood as it stands it is going to be hard to get all the picks to trade for pick 8 out of GWS. If Collingwood short change us we wont have any currency to do a deal with GC for the original plan. If that happens then there is no point doing any deal with Collingwood as we would be coming out behind from when we entered the trade period.

Pick 20 and 29 for pick 8 will get trumped by Essendon.

They will have 7 and 8 after the Treloar deal and have two academy kids lined up that have 1st round potential

It will be Howe and pick 43 for Kennedy and pick 27.

Collingwood will dictate the terms on this one.

Was mentioned in The Age this morning it could be two 2nd rounders.

Now even if those 2nd round picks for Howe were 29 (Port) & 32 (Crows), it's still more points combined then Sydney's Pick 14. They will also want to get points for Mills & Dunkley.

6 & 14 could still get us 3 & 35 from Gold Coast which is what we were trying to get with the Howe trade anyway.

Was mentioned in The Age this morning it could be two 2nd rounders.

Now even if those 2nd round picks for Howe were 29 (Port) & 32 (Crows), it's still more points combined then Sydney's Pick 14. They will also want to get points for Mills & Dunkley.

6 & 14 could still get us 3 & 35 from Gold Coast which is what we were trying to get with the Howe trade anyway.

6 & 14 for 3 & 35 is a bad deal.

Pies will try and fob off someone like Blair to make up the balance.

Two dwarfs for the price of one.

They will have 7 and 8 after the Treloar deal and have two academy kids lined up that have 1st round potential

I understand this but after Carlisle trade, Essendon will have picks 15 18/23 and 25 to trump us for pick 8. We won't have 2 picks better then 15 and 18.

Pick 20 and 29 for pick 8 will get trumped by Essendon.

That is why is would more likely be us giving pick 6, stk 2nd (freeman), pie's 2nd and for bugg, 7 and 8. Essendon won't give up their first rounder in the trade.

The beauty is that the gws pick will be used on an academy player which we wouldn't be able to select anyway...so in essence pick 7 in this scenario has the same 'value to the dees pick 6.

Edited October 17, 20159 yr by BigMacjnr

I understand this but after Carlisle trade, Essendon will have picks 15 18/23 and 25 to trump us for pick 8. We won't have 2 picks better then 15 and 18.

I think 15/18 is way overs for either of 7 or 8. Don't think they would do that to be honest, they will most likely end up with one of those top 10 picks but not both in my opinion.

I understand this but after Carlisle trade, Essendon will have picks 15 18/23 and 25 to trump us for pick 8. We won't have 2 picks better then 15 and 18.

Your not wrong, but there's every chance that trade wont happen at all and if it does it could be well into the last hour making it a race against time.

If our Howe trade is done by Monday/Tuesday, then we can give them some certantity with any trade.

I think 15/18 is way overs for either of 7 or 8. Don't think they would do that to be honest, they will most likely end up with one of those top 10 picks but not both in my opinion.

That is but they have far greater flexibility to get the trade down. Pick 15 and 25 maybe? Or 18/23? They can mix and match to what works to beat us for the pick

Howe, go to GC or enjoy Carlton (PSD)

Howe to Pies.

Seedsman and Freeman and Toumpas picks to Dees. ( 3 second rounders.) If Anderson is worth 15, then Howe is worth 2 middle second rounders at least.

Kennedy thrown in to us, or for late pick.

Our 3 picks from above deals to GWS for 8, plus because we have well over 200 point difference, which the AFL won't allow, they throw in Bugg and maybe Tomlinson. Maybe we add a late pick.

We offer 6 and 8 to GC for 3 and Prestia. If needed, we add something like a player or pick that might come from another trade, like say Grimes somewhere.

The above would be easier to do as they can be isolated deals. Toumpas single deal. Howe for 2 picks single deal. GWS picks for pick single deal. GC single deal.

If we end up with 8 and can't do the Prestia deal, we go to draft with 6 and 8.

Anyone got anything better and easier to achieve.

This is the AFL site's latest prediction for us. If true, the above is on target.

WHAT'S DONE

In: Jake Melksham

Out: Pick No.25

STILL TO COME

Big-ticket item: The Demons would prefer to deal with Gold Coast on Jeremy Howe, with the Suns prepared to swap pick No.3 for the Dees' No.6 as part of the deal. However, they will almost certainly end up trading with Howe's preferred club, Collingwood, who could offer Ben Kennedy and a second-round pick, or two second-round picks.

What else is on the shopping list: The Demons are likely to pick up Giants midfielder Tom Bugg, but could lose 2012's No.4 draft pick Jimmy Toumpas to Port Adelaide in exchange for a second-round selection.

Kennedy & two second rounders for Toumpas & Howe is a good outcome. It gives us room to move on Bugg and create another deal for Gold Coast's pick 3.

If we could trade our second rounders for GWS pick 8 (big if, as every other club will be doing the same) we could then trade 6 + 8 for 3 + 19 + 43. That leaves us 3 & 19 for the draft (Parish + best available), 43 for Bugg and 46 for Rosa. Upgrade VDB + Harmes with 100 + 118 and rookie Lovett.

I get the feeling Howe would have been the sticking point of any deal involving pick 3. Can't see any combinations of picks satisfying their needs.

Basing this on Mahoney's reaction to Howe choosing Collingwood and also looking at the deal from GC's perspective. Howe would have been a great fit for them.

Now the Freeman deal with St Kilda & Collingwodd is probably holding up any Howe deal, and that is being held up by St Kilda & Essendon's Carlisle deal.

We'll be waiting a few days on this one.

Now the Freeman deal with St Kilda & Collingwodd is probably holding up any Howe deal, and that is being held up by St Kilda & Essendon's Carlisle deal.

We'll be waiting a few days on this one.

Wont have to wait too long, trade period ends Thursday.

Wont have to wait too long, trade period ends Thursday.

Funnily enough, like I said, a few days.