These are not the picks you are looking for.

Silly Jedi mind tricks....that just might work....

If StKilda are tossing up between Petracca and McCartin at pick one, surely we will pick him up at three if they don't.

If they take him, it'll be Petracca and Brayshaw......all big bodied,which is what we really need,because we can't afford to wait 3 or 4 years for someone skinny with talent to develop.

Well apparently we are only interested in Brayshaw, Petracca, McCartin and Wright.

I'll be stoked with Brayshaw and McCartin or Brayshaw and Petracca!

Wasn't it Slug Jordan that said he only wanted players that had a bit of c**t about them? From what I can gather McCartin has that in spades. Throws his body around, not afraid to impose himself, likes a contest, big on physicality.

No more delicate petals please.

From afl.com.au

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-10-27/going-places-the-medical-diagnosis-that-almost-stopped-draft-prospect-paddy-mccartin-in-his-tracks

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-10-28/going-places-paddy-pushes-through-the-pain-as-recruiters-ask-the-awkward-question

Main thing that shines through is this kid is super competitive. Brilliant.

From Jon Ralph in todays Herald Sun:

"The Demons must make a decision on Luke Tapscott before the October 31 trade period and seem certain to take midfielder Angus Brayshaw and key forward Patrick McCartin with picks two and three"

From Jon Ralph in todays Herald Sun:

"The Demons must make a decision on Luke Tapscott before the October 31 trade period and seem certain to take midfielder Angus Brayshaw and key forward Patrick McCartin with picks two and three"

I'm sorry but i will not believe any of the cr@p coming out of this buffoons mouth. He was on SEN swearing black and blue that Goodwin was going to be announced as the new Crows coach, at the same time Melbourne were holding a press conference announcing we had just appointed him to be our head coach to be. The guy's a clown and not a very good journalist imo. Would do well working for a rag mag.

Anything to be read into the article on McCartin on the AFL site this morning regarding the Swans, Essendrug & us not sending recruiters on the AIS-AFL Academy tour?

Does this mean Roos has already decided who we want at 2 & 3?

If so, does it mean that McCartin is "in" or "out"?

The tour was much earlier in the year wasn't it? We wouldn't have known if we had picks 2 & 3 at the time.

On one side I love his aggression, attack on the ball and man, size and commitment to contests. I love natural footballers. Something the MFC has lacked for long time.

On the other hand, I am concerned about his lack of apparent fitness and the possibility that he will be a bit one dimensional in the forward line, and that at AFL level, he may be found lacking as other players are now equal to him in size, negating his main advantage from his junior days.

If the under 18s version of McCartin is what we will get at AFL then he is a good pick up, but I'm concerned out won't translate and that a mid will be a safer bet.

The tour was much earlier in the year wasn't it? We wouldn't have known if we had picks 2 & 3 at the time.

Yes, around April. Possibly a funding issue for us, especially if we were intending to trade the pick(s) at that stage of the year. Money better spent elsewhere.

Also, Taylor got into a stoush on a previous Academy tour, maybe that factored in as well.

Just in regards to those saying McCartin is only an old-school key forward, I highly recommend reading the following from the AFL website's going places.

With teammate Dylan Hodge's ankle injury restricting him to deep in attack, McCartin played a new role, roaming further up the ground and took 11 marks.

He's heard people question whether he is one-dimensional, and whether he would stand up to the aerobic rigours of back-and-forth modern football at the top level. He thinks he answered those queries.

"I feel people might pigeonhole me as an old-school key forward who doesn't move outside the 50," McCartin says.

"But when I get a chance to play up the ground I usually do it pretty well. It's more been about opportunities. That's been my role to play as a deeper forward and make a contest a bit deeper.

"I'm not too bad about going up the ground," he says.

"That game gave people a look to see that I can do it, it's just that the opportunity hasn't been there.

"It can be a bit annoying that I feel confident in my own ability, but I'm not really worried about what anyone thinks, apart from the team I'm playing for."

Source:

http://www.afl.com.a...fl-clubs-circle

Just in regards to those saying McCartin is only an old-school key forward, I highly recommend reading the following from the AFL website's going places.

With teammate Dylan Hodge's ankle injury restricting him to deep in attack, McCartin played a new role, roaming further up the ground and took 11 marks.

He's heard people question whether he is one-dimensional, and whether he would stand up to the aerobic rigours of back-and-forth modern football at the top level. He thinks he answered those queries.

"I feel people might pigeonhole me as an old-school key forward who doesn't move outside the 50," McCartin says.

"But when I get a chance to play up the ground I usually do it pretty well. It's more been about opportunities. That's been my role to play as a deeper forward and make a contest a bit deeper.

"I'm not too bad about going up the ground," he says.

"That game gave people a look to see that I can do it, it's just that the opportunity hasn't been there.

"It can be a bit annoying that I feel confident in my own ability, but I'm not really worried about what anyone thinks, apart from the team I'm playing for."

Source:

http://www.afl.com.a...fl-clubs-circle

Well he has confidence in his ability and that is good.

Wasn't it Slug Jordan that said he only wanted players that had a bit of c**t about them? From what I can gather McCartin has that in spades. Throws his body around, not afraid to impose himself, likes a contest, big on physicality.

No more delicate petals please.

Agreed! I don't reckon you can go wrong with McCartin. He may not be an out-and-out star down the track (impossible to predict which of these kids will be). But highly rated big-bodied kids who like a contest normally have long careers at this level.

I would have liked another midfielder in Brayshaw's class (doesn't seem to be one). I also liked the look of Lever's highlights. However, I can't see McCartin being a failure in the AFL. That has to be appealing.

Just in regards to those saying McCartin is only an old-school key forward, I highly recommend reading the following from the AFL website's going places.

With teammate Dylan Hodge's ankle injury restricting him to deep in attack, McCartin played a new role, roaming further up the ground and took 11 marks.

He's heard people question whether he is one-dimensional, and whether he would stand up to the aerobic rigours of back-and-forth modern football at the top level. He thinks he answered those queries."I feel people might pigeonhole me as an old-school key forward who doesn't move outside the 50," McCartin says."But when I get a chance to play up the ground I usually do it pretty well. It's more been about opportunities. That's been my role to play as a deeper forward and make a contest a bit deeper."I'm not too bad about going up the ground," he says."That game gave people a look to see that I can do it, it's just that the opportunity hasn't been there."It can be a bit annoying that I feel confident in my own ability, but I'm not really worried about what anyone thinks, apart from the team I'm playing for."

Source:

http://www.afl.com.a...fl-clubs-circle

So... McCartin thinks he did well when playing further upfield... And that's it?

No one else to support his theory? It's not even someone else's opinion, it's his own!

That is supposed to give him credibility?

So... McCartin thinks he did well when playing further upfield... And that's it?

No one else to support his theory? It's not even someone else's opinion, it's his own!

That is supposed to give him credibility?

In all fairness it is hard to tell. In juniors he is asked to stay inside the forward 50 as they know he won't be beaten. It doesn't mean he won't be good around the ground.

It's going to be a hard decision, glad it's not me and especially glad it's not BP.

So... McCartin thinks he did well when playing further upfield... And that's it?

No one else to support his theory? It's not even someone else's opinion, it's his own!

That is supposed to give him credibility?

It's got a lot more credibility that your theory that Lever would make a good midfielder, despite him never having played there, which is based on, well, nothing really.

So... McCartin thinks he did well when playing further upfield... And that's it?

No one else to support his theory? It's not even someone else's opinion, it's his own!

That is supposed to give him credibility?

He's played well when higher up the ground. Why you would want to use a beast with prescient leading ability up the ground is beyond me. Only question mark on the kid is his health.

So... McCartin thinks he did well when playing further upfield... And that's it?

No one else to support his theory? It's not even someone else's opinion, it's his own!

That is supposed to give him credibility?

It's got a lot more credibility that your theory that Lever would make a good midfielder, despite him never having played there.

Theo's got a point here, Machsy. Lever has also said he'd "like to play in the midfield", yet he too has never played there. Anyway, the fact is one is a key defender, the other a key forward. If we are going a key position player with Petracca being off the board, McCartin/Wright would be better bets than Lever in my opinion. They both have exposed form over the past 12-18 months (Lever doesn't). Lever is coming off a knee reco, and as mentioned earlier, he's a key back. Quality key backs, I think you'll find, are much easier to pick up later in the draft than quality key forwards.

If we are desperate to pick a midfielder, Laverde should be the go after Petracca and Brayshaw. Personally though, I think we should be picking McCartin or Wright. Lever would be my last preference of that lot.

I know the game has and will continue to change, but Matthew Lloyd and Fevola were pretty handy one-dimensional stay at home full forwards (Lloyd in particular looked very unco trying to do anything except mark the ball and then kick the goal). I don't think the game has evolved so much that every player in the team needs to be able to play multiple positions.

It's got a lot more credibility that your theory that Lever would make a good midfielder, despite him never having played there, which is based on, well, nothing really.

Comprehension issues again.

Maybe you should finish primary school before trying to comment on one of my posts.

He's played well when higher up the ground. Why you would want to use a beast with prescient leading ability up the ground is beyond me. Only question mark on the kid is his health.

I don't think the game is played like that anymore.

Name another successful key forward that stays in the F50 the same way.

Saying Hawkins may only prove your ignorance...

But I'd say he has a few more question marks; namely tank, kicking skills and agility.

Theo's got a point here, Machsy. Lever has also said he'd "like to play in the midfield", yet he too has never played there. Anyway, the fact is one is a key defender, the other a key forward. If we are going a key position player with Petracca being off the board, McCartin/Wright would be better bets than Lever in my opinion. They both have exposed form over the past 12-18 months (Lever doesn't). Lever is coming off a knee reco, and as mentioned earlier, he's a key back. Quality key backs, I think you'll find, are much easier to pick up later in the draft than quality key forwards.

If we are desperate to pick a midfielder, Laverde should be the go after Petracca and Brayshaw. Personally though, I think we should be picking McCartin or Wright. Lever would be my last preference of that lot.

No he doesn't.

I think Lever could make it as a mid.

What Lever thinks is irrelevant and I'm not using that as an argument for him being more worthy of selection.

Anyway, you're free to think differently.

Obviously I see Lever as worthy of pick 3, but McCartin & Wright not so much.

We'll see who's right in about 5 years' time.

Just saw a mate tweet Cal Twomey about the potential of McCartin to still go to the saints.

He said he (McCartin) is still a big chance to go number 1.

Dont rule out Petracca guys..

Just saw a mate tweet Cal Twomey about the potential of McCartin to still go to the saints.

He said he (McCartin) is still a big chance to go number 1.

Dont rule out Petracca guys..

'Aints fans would burn down the joint if that happened. Just can't see them passing him up

Comprehension issues again.

Maybe you should finish primary school before trying to comment on one of my posts.

I don't think the game is played like that anymore.

Name another successful key forward that stays in the F50 the same way.

Saying Hawkins may only prove your ignorance...

But I'd say he has a few more question marks; namely tank, kicking skills and agility.

Roughead plays primarily deep with the odd spurt in the midfield. He is very infrequently used around the 50s. Jack Riewoldt was for a long time essentially an inside 50 player. Which games have you seen McCartin play? Most games I've seen he has been completely dominant, has hurt his opponent multiple ways and been reasonably reliable in front of goal. Maybe you are only seeing him play at Kardinia Park on swirly days?