I am a massive wrap for Trenners and always will be... But... The below scenario is jumping out at me

Trengove to Tigers for pick 12

Pick 2 used by dees to snag best available mid

Picks 3 + 12 to Colling%^#* in exchange for Beams

Thoughts?

Beams doesn't NEED to move North... He WANTS out of shitsville!

Was just about to say 3 and 12 for Beams AND Mamba, though that could be redundant if the Clark-Lumumba trade works well.

Feel like it could be a watershed moment for the club: do we reward a players loyalty or embrace the new era of free agency (and faux free agency)?

Maybe its to help the Ryder deal get thru: An elite Port player to Dees for pick 3 and 12 and one of those Port sends on to Essendon (with their) 17 for Ryder.

Or something similar to help get the Beams deal thru altho I can't think of anyone I would want from the pies.

Imagine if it was wines...

http://www.aflplayerratings.com.au/Ratings/Player/113555/Jack-TRENGOVE

Look at this analytically.

Forget that he was a pick 2 and a former captain. We really don't have time for those sentimental decisions. They are at least best made now when morale and belief in Roos is high not in a couple of years time when it goes full McCartney.

Trengove can certainly play. But he doesn't have a natural position. Too slow to play outside. Not dynamic enough to play inside. Doesn't have the skills for half back or the x factor forward.

Our inside mids are Cross, Jones, Vince, Tyson Viney. Our outside mids should be Lumumba, Watts, Toumpas etc. It's not a strong group. But if Trengove isn't better than Michie, Riley or Toumpas what's the difference?

My biggest problem with the deal is it's 12 for 23 and is a 2 for 1 deal. If the Tigers throw in pick 49 as well as we can on trade that for Frost then I'm more interested (presuming we need that for Frost and/or can get someone else in the PSD.

As others have said, if we do it, the pick will be used as part of a larger trade.

Think of the larger trade as pick 3, pick 23 and Trengove for player X and a pick to on trade for Frost.

Here's the thing; I keep telling the Dees to get ruthless but when something like this comes up I'm conflicted. Treners showed loyalty, and we shafted him with early captaincy and it could be argued injury mismanagement, and now we could jut pack him off?

I love Trenners, but if this was to complete a Danger trade or similar, I wouldn't shut it down..

Make this happen......we need change and drastic change at that

Cheers Barry.

There's more to a club and more to a playing list than cold numbers.

Trengove is loved and respected by the group and has always been outspokenly loyal about the club.

Commitment and culture is a two way street and a trade like this has potential to punch a hole in the playing list.

Roos (or Longmire post him) traded out Veszpremi, Lewis Johnston let Jed Lamb walk and there might have been others. Sympathy for first round draft picks taken by others isn't business.

Separate emotion, we're not going to trade 3 & 12 for peanuts.. This coaching group aren't idiot, they're cooking something transformational.

Something is definetely in the pipeline!

Im not against this move at all.

WHere is player welfare now if this is how we treat this kid.

FMD

If it makes the side better in the long run, I'm all for it.

But I really do like Jack and on face value it looks a trade that could leave us the laughing stock yet again.

I'd rather chase GCSuns P-8, with Howe & P-39

Or Howe to Richmond for P-12... or maybe Grimes to Tiges for P-12

If its for the the good of the club then I'll take it. No player is bigger than the club. His career with us has been a sad story so far for all the promise he had. Hawthorn did a similar thing when Clarkson had a year on the job. Moved out some players which became good at other clubs but turned the Hawks back into a powerhouse.

WHere is player welfare now if this is how we treat this kid.

FMD

It's a business.

Extended his contract when Scully took the money and ran.

Accepted the captaincy when we were at our lowest.

A role model on the training track and originally injured his foot doing non-compulsory preseason training sessions.

Even the article sights him as being 'reluctant' to move to Richmond.

I don't get overly worked up about list decisions the club makes - but this one would do my head in.

This is like trading Woewodin all over again.

When he wins a brownlow & plays in a GF we can compare him to Woe....

Club may have a trade occurring or a young gun they want to target.... Reality of footy now....

This makes NO sense whatsoever

makes sense if we will then trade pick 3 and 12 for a superstar

But assuming its not Dangerfield (even though it could be), who will it be?

Roos mustn't rate him at all.

There's more to a club and more to a playing list than cold numbers.

Trengove is loved and respected by the group and has always been outspokenly loyal about the club.

Commitment and culture is a two way street and a trade like this has potential to punch a hole in the playing list.

Yes to all the above....BUT HE IS SLOW & has almost ZERO acceleration....Cold Hard Facts.

Can you picture Trengove playing in the midfield in late September?

Sadly i cannot....& i want to see that Cup(s)

WHere is player welfare now if this is how we treat this kid.

FMD

No different to free agency... Player still gets to another club.... We have won less than 12 games in 3 yrs ....

It's a business.

It's bad business.

This could really do Jack's head in:

- stood by the club in dark days

- made co cap too early

- 'demoted' from co cap

- taken out of leadership group when injured

- has had 2 years of injuries

- now reluctantly sent packing

He is mentally a strong kid but crickey he is going to need a lot of mettle to deal with all the above.

get Beams now