Speaking of Greenwood, I prefer our off season to North Melbourne's.

Started with a bang by overpaying two injury-prone free agents and followed up by getting a poor return on Greenwood.

Pick 3 and Howe to GWS.

Greene, Frost and Pick 6 to MFC.

Pick 6 to be used on Lever.

Anyone think we could or would want to get Patty Ryder?

Edited October 16, 201410 yr by Senegor

Newton and pick 37 from PA for 23? 37 to GWS for Frost?

If we move 23 then the big trades are definitely off.

Edited October 16, 201410 yr by Robbie57

Pick 3 and Howe to GWS.

Greene, Frost and Pick 6 to MFC.

Pick 6 to be used on Lever.

Would rather leave Howe out of it and just get Frost in the PSD

Why would we trade anything for Frost when we can get him for nothing in the PSD? (Seeing no other clubs seem to be chasing hard for him)

Would rather leave Howe out of it and just get Frost in the PSD

I'm happy for GWS to take some of our dead wood. The best part with Howe is that he makes other clubs act like a 4 year old at the showbag stand. They get mesmerised with the outside packaging, but deep down we know the inside is full of rubbish.

Can someone remind me why the hell we aren't going after Merrett? Strong, marking, bullocking, aggressive key forward or key back. Can picture him lining up with Dawes/Hogan.

Can someone remind me why the hell we aren't going after Merrett? Strong, marking, bullocking, aggressive key forward or key back. Can picture him lining up with Dawes/Hogan.

Too old for the picks/money he would cost.

Why would we trade anything for Frost when we can get him for nothing in the PSD? (Seeing no other clubs seem to be chasing hard for him)

there is that...but we might want to go shopping for something else in the PSD

I reckon Howe can turn into a good midfielder.

there is that...but we might want to go shopping for something else in the PSD

Can't imagine there's much better on offer for PSD pick 2. Would think we'd be keeping more of an eye on delisted free agents.

I'm happy for GWS to take some of our dead wood. The best part with Howe is that he makes other clubs act like a 4 year old at the showbag stand. They get mesmerised with the outside packaging, but deep down we know the inside is full of rubbish.

He has massive upside - I don't get why demonlanders hump [censored] on him. He is actually a great kick for goal (it has been said that he's [censored] on here) he's a spastically good mark and has a good turn of speed.

Granted he's not the player to lead the team but he's not deadwood ffs.

Edited October 16, 201410 yr by DTJ

I'm happy for GWS to take some of our dead wood. The best part with Howe is that he makes other clubs act like a 4 year old at the showbag stand. They get mesmerised with the outside packaging, but deep down we know the inside is full of rubbish.

I wonder what could have been with Howe under a decent coach who could develop players.

In his first couple seasons I can remember a few games when he was picking up 20 odd touches and kicking a couple goals. A few bags of three here and there. Then going back this year he was ok also even though not once in his life as he ever been played as a backman,

Not sure why so many are keen to see him gone. One of the most natural footballers we have on our list who can play forward and back we now know.

I'd say he is a 100% keep for mine

It would be interesting to see how many are members?

Anyone who posts here and isn't a member of MFC is, well I.won't say an idiot, but they've made some interesting life decisions. There are always mitigating circumstances (where you live, finances etc) so I get that but taking things at face value I couldn't imagine someone so obsessed that they post/read here yet can't fork out a couple of hundred a year for membership.

I've been a member since 1989 (as a 7 year old) and was a "squadron" member or whatever it was called before that. My son was signed up a couple of weeks after being born and I'll never let his lapse (he actually has 2, 1 MFC and 1 AFL member).

Seriously if you can afford to sign up and choose not to you can't call yourself a supporter, you're just a barracker.

/Highhorserant

Howe is a keeper, he was quite good down back towards the end of the year and will be a better overall player for it.

We'll need Howe up forward to catch Prince Heritier Desebelles Luzuby Lumumba's moon balls.

Totally agree on Howe - "natural footballer" is exactly how I would describe him.

The highlight reel marks might lead the average fan to think he's more impactful than he is, but don't let them fool you, he's not just a one-trick pony. Defensively he's got work to do but he's got great disposal efficiency (80.6%, good for 45th in the league among players with 150+ disposals) and found the ball plenty playing in the backline (9 games with 20+ disposals in 2014).

He has massive upside - I don't get why demonlanders hump [censored] on him. He is actually a great kick for goal (it has been said that he's [censored] on here) he's a spastically good mark and has a good turn of speed.

Granted he's not the player to lead the team but he's not deadwood ffs.

I think he would be at his peak value right now. Other clubs will pay what I would consider over his true value.

I'm expecting him to find it difficult to hold down a roll in the team, especially with the inclusion of HL on the HBF, and the addition of JG in the forward line (I realise Howe isn't a small forward like JG, but JG's inclusion will push someone out).

My fear is that IF I'm correct, Howe will play VFL football next year (hence my "dead wood" call), which will clearly lower is trade value.

As you said, he's not the player that will lead the team, so what will his role be? Take a screamer? We will need more than that from him (and all our players) if we are to rise up the ladder.

Personally, I thought he struggled on the HBF this year, which is concerning for the position known as the "easiest to play". He didn't know when to mark or spoil, he doubted himself at contests, which against a decent HFF, will bring you unstuck and will make you a target.

there is that...but we might want to go shopping for something else in the PSD

I have an inkling that this is what is holding the trade up. GWS may know this and are asking for overs.

I think he would be at his peak value right now. Other clubs will pay what I would consider over his true value.

I'm expecting him to find it difficult to hold down a roll in the team, especially with the inclusion of HL on the HBF, and the addition of JG in the forward line (I realise Howe isn't a small forward like JG, but JG's inclusion will push someone out).

My fear is that IF I'm correct, Howe will play VFL football next year (hence my "dead wood" call), which will clearly lower is trade value.

As you said, he's not the player that will lead the team, so what will his role be? Take a screamer? We will need more than that from him (and all our players) if we are to rise up the ladder.

Personally, I thought he struggled on the HBF this year, which is concerning for the position known as the "easiest to play". He didn't know when to mark or spoil, he doubted himself at contests, which against a decent HFF, will bring you unstuck and will make you a target.

I was pretty dismayed by Howe's performance in the first half of the season (clearly Roos reached his tether at one point as well) but there were some really encouraging signs in the second half that he was finally getting that defensive role nailed. He had some brilliant goal-saving marks in the last few matches (from memory in the Port game he took a cracking mark against Schulz at one point late in the final quarter), and also showed some very promising signs as a forward early in the year when our key stocks were down (3 goals vs. Richmond in the NAB cup IIRC).

He's incredibly fit and supposedly one of our hardest trainers, so I think his slightly lazy performances where he made zero impact weren't reflective of his actual ability. Roos needs to find a way to extract more of that natural talent, because it's undoubtedly there.

And if there's no room for Grimes down back with Frost/Lamumba coming in, there won't be much room for Howey. I'd guess he's going back forward, and Roos kept him down back this year to ingrain a defensive mindset into Jeremy.

I have an inkling that this is what is holding the trade up. GWS may know this and are asking for overs.

Bingo. Especially when they have us over a barrel one way or the other. They either get "overs" via pick 23, or force us to use our first pick in the PSD on him which lets another player slide to their first PSD pick.

Edited October 16, 201410 yr by Lamashtu

I have an inkling that this is what is holding the trade up. GWS may know this and are asking for overs.

The danger in waiting for the PSD is that Saints have first pick.

We missed out on Hannath (or whatever his name is) a couple of years back.

Essendon have sent pick 62 to GWS for Giles.

Why on earth do we spend 5 years developing Spencer when you can bring in a much better, mature ruckman with a pick in the 60s?

Talk about clogging a list.

Essendon have sent pick 62 to GWS for Giles.

Why on earth do we spend 5 years developing Spencer when you can bring in a much better, mature ruckman with a pick in the 60s?

Talk about clogging a list.

That's a steal.