Wiseblood 24,637 Posted September 3, 2014 Posted September 3, 2014 Off the top of my head Aker Martin Pike Josh Carr Heath Shaw Alan Didak Dane Swan Campbell Brown Stevie J All have played in premiership teams. You could probably throw in Ben Cousins and a few others too if you want to. I cant think of any in the Swans line up(s) I was talking current sides. Of course sides have had a few over the years but, right now, I can't think of many playing in 2014.
Moonshadow 17,678 Posted September 3, 2014 Posted September 3, 2014 I was talking current sides. Of course sides have had a few over the years but, right now, I can't think of many playing in 2014. Half of those listed played this year Wiseblood, they are current in 2014. What about Lake, would he qualify?
Wiseblood 24,637 Posted September 3, 2014 Posted September 3, 2014 Half of those listed played this year Wiseblood, they are current in 2014. What about Lake, would he qualify? Yes they did, but Shaw played for GWS, Swan and Stevie J can be controversial but I wouldn't call them DH's, and Campbell Brown retired. Wouldn't say Lake qualifies either. Being suspended a few times isn't in the same league as the stunts Robinson has pulled.
Moonshadow 17,678 Posted September 3, 2014 Posted September 3, 2014 Yes they did, but Shaw played for GWS, Swan and Stevie J can be controversial but I wouldn't call them DH's, and Campbell Brown retired. Wouldn't say Lake qualifies either. Being suspended a few times isn't in the same league as the stunts Robinson has pulled. Er, correct, Shaw plays for GWS. Are you talking finalists, cause Robinson isn't part of this finals series. I'd say that Lake's on field temper losses, such as his Petrie choke, would be worse than anything Robinson has pulled. Of course, Lake has been a far better footballer. A club's ability to tolerate a dh will be directly related to his worth to the team.
Bitter but optimistic 22,289 Posted September 3, 2014 Posted September 3, 2014 Er, correct, Shaw plays for GWS. Are you talking finalists, cause Robinson isn't part of this finals series. I'd say that Lake's on field temper losses, such as his Petrie choke, would be worse than anything Robinson has pulled. Of course, Lake has been a far better footballer. A club's ability to tolerate a dh will be directly related to his worth to the team. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ zzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzz zzz zzz z z
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Wiseblood 24,637 Posted September 3, 2014 Posted September 3, 2014 Er, correct, Shaw plays for GWS. Are you talking finalists, cause Robinson isn't part of this finals series. I'd say that Lake's on field temper losses, such as his Petrie choke, would be worse than anything Robinson has pulled. Of course, Lake has been a far better footballer. A club's ability to tolerate a dh will be directly related to his worth to the team. HH mentioned all great teams have a few DH's. I asked him to name them and, clearly, Shaw isn't one of them because he's at GWS, hence why I mentioned it. Lake has lost the plot once or twice but Robinson has a clear history of acting like one both on AND off the field. But I do agree that their ability to tolerate it directly reflects their contribution to the side. If it starts to suffer then they happily boot them out the door.
Moonshadow 17,678 Posted September 3, 2014 Posted September 3, 2014 HH mentioned all great teams have a few DH's. I asked him to name them and, clearly, Shaw isn't one of them because he's at GWS, hence why I mentioned it. Lake has lost the plot once or twice but Robinson has a clear history of acting like one both on AND off the field. But I do agree that their ability to tolerate it directly reflects their contribution to the side. If it starts to suffer then they happily boot them out the door. Yes, but Shaw was a valuable member of Collingwood's flag in 2010. They had a bunch of dheads then. And Lake has lost the plot more than once or twice, maybe once or twice this year, for a total of 7 missed matched due to suspension. No mean feat. Robinson is an all round dh, but Lake is certainly a dh on the field. I'll agree to disagree and move on.
Wiseblood 24,637 Posted September 3, 2014 Posted September 3, 2014 Yes, but Shaw was a valuable member of Collingwood's flag in 2010. They had a bunch of dheads then. And Lake has lost the plot more than once or twice, maybe once or twice this year, for a total of 7 missed matched due to suspension. No mean feat. Robinson is an all round dh, but Lake is certainly a dh on the field. I'll agree to disagree and move on. Yes, they had DH's... then. It is being tolerated less and less by clubs as it isn't worth it anymore. Not as many out there and the top clubs like Geelong, Swans, Hawks, Freo etc just don't have them. Robinson is only 25 and has the opportunity to turn it around but his next contract will come with plenty of clauses in his contract about his behaviour. I'm not saying we chase him, far from it, just that in the current climate trouble makers aren't tolerated anymore.
Moonshadow 17,678 Posted September 3, 2014 Posted September 3, 2014 Yes, they had DH's... then. It is being tolerated less and less by clubs as it isn't worth it anymore. Not as many out there and the top clubs like Geelong, Swans, Hawks, Freo etc just don't have them. Robinson is only 25 and has the opportunity to turn it around but his next contract will come with plenty of clauses in his contract about his behaviour. I'm not saying we chase him, far from it, just that in the current climate trouble makers aren't tolerated anymore. Agreed.
Roger Mellie 4,205 Posted September 3, 2014 Posted September 3, 2014 Robinson is yet another ordinary kick. Just what we need!
Pates 9,697 Posted September 4, 2014 Posted September 4, 2014 Robinson is an interesting prospect. He's at a really good age and has shown great ability during games, the biggest concerns are obvious; he is not a smart person and seems to have a bad attitude both on and off the field. He's done some pretty stupid aggressive things on the field (Bail can testify to that) and at times has really let the Blues down. That said, getting the flick from the Blues could be the rocket up his butt to motivate him to change. If we were interested in pursuing him I would suggest the club vets the hell out of him and find out where his mind is at, and whether he is going to adhere to strict team rules. I would say if Mitch Clark doesn't appear to want to return to the club, Robinson is someone who could help cover for Hogan while he develops. I leave it with Roos to decide if he's worth the risk. If he gets delisted we may be able to get him for nothing. Garlett seems like a flashy footballer but gets caught out when he has to raise the bar in terms of effort. His speed and skills could be an asset, but we have had plenty in the past who like to coast on the field.
Bluey's Dad 3,419 Posted September 4, 2014 Posted September 4, 2014 His reddit Q&A suggests there's a bit more to Robbo than the d-head tag he seems to have picked up. http://www.reddit.com/r/AFL/comments/1keqff/i_am_mitch_robinson_from_the_carlton_football Thanks for that link, he actually comes off like a human being. Playing CS and WoW though don't necessarily validate him not being a DH though. The amount of tools playing those games is massive. I know, I was one. Also he played a druid, and druids were easymode. Heal warrior -> root -> run away -> repeat. Or grab flag -> run away -> repeat. Cachia mentioned in this thread - I would definitely chase him if he's available.
jnrmac 20,392 Posted September 4, 2014 Posted September 4, 2014 We interviewed Robinson last year. I wonder what roosy really thinks him. I like his aggression but I have heaps of first hand knowledge of him. He really is not very smart, and I'm being kind in saying that. We really need more aggression. I really liked the way hawthorn turned it around years ago with just aggression. They had guys rubbed out a bit but so what. 1. His own team mates hated him and he coaches were always furious that he 'took out' his own players on several occasions with his kamakaze style. 2. He doesn't even know the rules. Belted a opint from a ball up and gave away a goal. Not smart 3. Clearly fails the Roos no DH policy.
Whispering_Jack 31,381 Posted September 4, 2014 Author Posted September 4, 2014 If being a DH refers to errant behaviour off the field and you're looking for a current day player in a successful club then how does Buddy sound?
rjay 25,434 Posted September 4, 2014 Posted September 4, 2014 If being a DH refers to errant behaviour off the field and you're looking for a current day player in a successful club then how does Buddy sound? Trouble is Mitch is a bit of a DH on the field.
dee-tox 4,835 Posted September 4, 2014 Posted September 4, 2014 Gartlett yes. Bloke capable of 40 plus goals a season. From memory Dawes kicked 19 this season as leading goalkicker.
TGR 1,367 Posted September 4, 2014 Posted September 4, 2014 From a purely on-field perspective, Mitch Robinson is an absolute and utter must at Melbourne. Courageous, selfless, manic. A contested ball freak, but unlike Jones, Tyson, Cross, isn't one-paced. From an off-field viewpoint, Roos' no-DH policy might kick in. But guess what? We are in such a predicament, I think we have to punt on Robinson. Roos + Tammy + Meditation + direction + last-chance-alley = possible born-again for born-again-and-again Robinson. pTGR
Moonshadow 17,678 Posted September 4, 2014 Posted September 4, 2014 . Roos + Tammy + Meditation + direction + last-chance-alley = possible born-again for born-again-and-again Robinson. WTF? You ain't no theoretical mathematician TGR!
Nasher 33,686 Posted September 4, 2014 Posted September 4, 2014 Yes they did, but Shaw played for GWS, Swan and Stevie J can be controversial but I wouldn't call them DH's, and Campbell Brown retired. Wouldn't say Lake qualifies either. Being suspended a few times isn't in the same league as the stunts Robinson has pulled. Nitpicking I know, but Swan undoubtedly qualifies.
Wiseblood 24,637 Posted September 4, 2014 Posted September 4, 2014 Nitpicking I know, but Swan undoubtedly qualifies. I can't really argue that one, but I think my point is still valid. DH's aren't tolerated so easily in the AFL anymore.
Moonshadow 17,678 Posted September 4, 2014 Posted September 4, 2014 Nitpicking I know, but Swan undoubtedly qualifies. Not as much as Didak! Fancy crashing your car pizzed, doing a runner then letting your teammate cop the flack! FMD.
s-t-i-n-g-a 439 Posted September 4, 2014 Posted September 4, 2014 From a purely on-field perspective, Mitch Robinson is an absolute and utter must at Melbourne. Courageous, selfless, manic. A contested ball freak, but unlike Jones, Tyson, Cross, isn't one-paced. pTGR He is most of those things on the field. But he is also a really really dumb footballer.
s-t-i-n-g-a 439 Posted September 4, 2014 Posted September 4, 2014 From a purely on-field perspective, Mitch Robinson is an absolute and utter must at Melbourne. Courageous, selfless, manic. A contested ball freak, but unlike Jones, Tyson, Cross, isn't one-paced. pTGR He is most of those things on the field. But he is also a really really dumb footballer.
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