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[Satyriconhome 10,880]

  On 14/08/2014 at 04:09, beelzebub said:

As a commentator in the media (DS) it is actually his job to comment. Having said that its not necessarily a given that a commentator might not actually say something worthy as opposed to purely a headline.

I actually thought the thrust of the Ox's sentiments was that both parties were in a bit of a rut with each other and both simply need a freshness ( gained from Watts moving on ) I agree 100% with that. I think THAT would work best, but he may well stay.

Anyone can comment. Up to us to filter.

My point though, that is Ox's opinion, it is not a fact, unfortunately some posters on here assume the Ox has just come down the mountain with that written in stone

[Satyriconhome 10,880]

  On 14/08/2014 at 04:21, beelzebub said:

We cant know that this ISNT an option currently in the minds of the club. Melbourne will wait til end other season and trade begins to evaluate the best path forwards.

I havent heard anyone categorically say Watts isnt tradable, but happy to be corrected

Ok I will say it categorically, I think if we trade Watts it will be stupid, as we have spent this season reprogramming him, this still doesn't mean it won't happen though...not my choice, but would have thought if Roos thought that little of him he would be at Casey by now

[ijbfossil 77]

The King bit is only to justify his pay packet and fill in time on telly - any of us could come up with all the "analytical" stuff he makes a living out of.

All that matters at the minute is how the Dees play on Sunday.

[DeeSpencer 26,671]

  On 14/08/2014 at 04:26, Satyriconhome said:

Ok I will say it categorically, I think if we trade Watts it will be stupid, as we have spent this season reprogramming him, this still doesn't mean it won't happen though...not my choice, but would have thought if Roos thought that little of him he would be at Casey by now

I've seen very little reprogramming. Roos has simply trying to do what every coach has tried to do with Watts except Roos and has had the same level of success as far as I can tell.

Despite categorically stating Watts would play on a wing that was abandoned after about a month as he shifted forward. Then he started failing there so he was shifted back. Right now he's playing back and forward. Roos is breaking his own rules with Watts!

Unfortunately I think Roos is another in a long line of coaches who gets fooled by the training track performances and blinded by concerns about the PR battle and destroying poor Jacky's confidence instead of just treating him on the merits of his performance.

[rjay 25,424]

  On 14/08/2014 at 04:26, Satyriconhome said:

Ok I will say it categorically, I think if we trade Watts it will be stupid, as we have spent this season reprogramming him, this still doesn't mean it won't happen though...not my choice, but would have thought if Roos thought that little of him he would be at Casey by now

I don't think we should either 'Sat' (Unless an Alan Bond offer came up) and the focus on Watts really annoys the ...out of me. Ox really should know better and for the good of him (Watts) and the club as he professes to have at heart he should shut the ...up about Jack and let him get along with his career.

Pick on another number one like Scully who is doing the job of a very average footballer on the same whack as arguably the greatest player of all time is at GC.

[ijbfossil 77]

King just justifying his existence on T V. We could all come up with numerous scenarios.

All that matters at the minute is Sunday.

[rjay 25,424]

  On 14/08/2014 at 04:42, Georgiou R.R. Martin said:

Despite categorically stating Watts would play on a wing that was abandoned after about a month as he shifted forward. Then he started failing there so he was shifted back. Right now he's playing back and forward. Roos is breaking his own rules with Watts!

Had a bit to do with having no forwards early in the season 'George'...he had him forward for part of the first game.

[beelzebub 23,392]

  On 14/08/2014 at 04:44, rjay said:

Had a bit to do with having no forwards early in the season 'George'...he had him forward for part of the first game.

wasnt there something about getting players into roles and letting them develop ? Didnt get long did he...just saying

I seriously think Roos is just as bewildered as the rest of us. All he really says are things PC irt Watts.

The obvious thing is we will know EXACTLY Watts what come trade time. A few will

[Satyriconhome 10,880]

  On 14/08/2014 at 04:49, beelzebub said:

wasnt there something about getting players into roles and letting them develop ? Didnt get long did he...just saying

I seriously think Roos is just as bewildered as the rest of us. All he really says are things PC irt Watts.

The obvious thing is we will know EXACTLY Watts what come trade time. A few will

It is the mindset on here as to what a midfielder is, I want a midfielder who can go into the centre bounces, play on a wing, go forward , kick goals, defend at halfback....let me think James Kelly, Jimmy Bartel, Shaun Burgoyne, Nat Fyfe....this is what Roos meant

[beelzebub 23,392]

  On 14/08/2014 at 05:13, Satyriconhome said:

It is the mindset on here as to what a midfielder is, I want a midfielder who can go into the centre bounces, play on a wing, go forward , kick goals, defend at halfback....let me think James Kelly, Jimmy Bartel, Shaun Burgoyne, Nat Fyfe....this is what Roos meant

All those you mention arent the failed KPP types they have always been utility types. and are almost uniformly 188-190 types...and for good reason

The idea ( for mine ) of Watts as some sort of pseudo Pendlebury is some sort of fanciful folly. He is NOT a mid. He is a winger, left to be that he could do well. He gets caught up in traffic and knocked around by it. He needs room and given it is VERY good at using the ball. But for mine thats all,....now.

[dazzledavey36 56,312]

Didnt Watts just sign a 3 year deal this year?

[old dee 24,082]

  On 14/08/2014 at 05:29, dazzledavey36 said:

Didnt Watts just sign a 3 year deal this year?

Yes 2014 is the first year

[Satyriconhome 10,880]

  On 14/08/2014 at 05:29, beelzebub said:

All those you mention arent the failed KPP types they have always been utility types. and are almost uniformly 188-190 types...and for good reason

The idea ( for mine ) of Watts as some sort of pseudo Pendlebury is some sort of fanciful folly. He is NOT a mid. He is a winger, left to be that he could do well. He gets caught up in traffic and knocked around by it. He needs room and given it is VERY good at using the ball. But for mine thats all,....now.

Jack Watts was only a KPP because Demonland annointed him as one...I hate the labels.....I know Jesse Hogan is a 'forward' but my hope is he becomes the Roughead type forward and can pop up in the centre square or the wing, and you will notice Lance Franklin all 160cm of him popping up all over the place now....it's the modern game

[jumbo returns 6,745]

  On 14/08/2014 at 05:29, dazzledavey36 said:

Didnt Watts just sign a 3 year deal this year?

He can still be traded....

[beelzebub 23,392]

  On 14/08/2014 at 05:38, jumbo returns said:

He can still be traded....

yep...if all parties agree, not a problem

[ManDee 7,395]

  On 14/08/2014 at 04:42, rjay said:

I don't think we should either 'Sat' (Unless an Alan Bond offer came up) and the focus on Watts really annoys the ...out of me. Ox really should know better and for the good of him (Watts) and the club as he professes to have at heart he should shut the ...up about Jack and let him get along with his career.

Pick on another number one like Scully who is doing the job of a very average footballer on the same whack as arguably the greatest player of all time is at GC.

Schwarter is a Demon. I reckon he wants to put the wind up Watts. See if he can lift and show something in the last few rounds.

[old dee 24,082]

  On 14/08/2014 at 05:38, jumbo returns said:

He can still be traded....

First you need a buyer jr

[beelzebub 23,392]

  On 14/08/2014 at 05:44, old dee said:

First you need a buyer jr

there'd be a few

[old dee 24,082]

  On 14/08/2014 at 05:46, beelzebub said:

there'd be a few

Yes but at what price bb?

[Wormburner 674]

  On 14/08/2014 at 03:11, Satyriconhome said:

I am dismissive because as far as I know most on here have never played or coached at AFL level, so have no idea what is required to perform at that level.

Second point is a lot of it is not original, usually gleaned from one of the many Footy Talking Heads we have these days

We also have posters who don't even watch the games pontificating

If you put forward a well thought argument I will read it, if the post contains nothing but the usual bashing, what is the point?

So you have played and/or coached AFL level then Saty?

Yes a lot of posts are rubbish, however everyone has a right to an opinion - this is a forum after all.

[beelzebub 23,392]

  On 14/08/2014 at 05:58, old dee said:

Yes but at what price bb?

no idea, but there would be some .

What would be a valid offer could be interesting

[ManDee 7,395]

  On 14/08/2014 at 06:02, beelzebub said:

no idea, but there would be some .

What would be a valid offer could be interesting

Former number 1 draft pick. Huge potential .Similar stats this year. Is he better than Scully? I say yes. No way we will get another deal like Scully.

[pitmaster 3,592]

I am amazed this thread has generated so much activity.

I recorded AFL360 thinking that King and Maclure were going to give us some real injsights but there was nothing there but confirmation of what many have said on this site: essentially that Roos has spent the year teaching the team how to defend and to commit but that has taken us far as it was going to and the team now has to learn to attack.

Trade Watts? You mean no-one's ever said that before?

Trade Toumpas, Grimes, Trenners?

As others have said, they don't know about Toump's surgery? Really, if that is as shallow as their research was just let it go.

Trenners has been hampered this year and may well break out next.

King's get in five picks inside 20 was an academic exercise, nothing more.

The segment genuinely disappointed me, but maybe I should be cheered by the insight we get on this site.

[jackaub 1,402]

  On 14/08/2014 at 04:26, Satyriconhome said:

Ok I will say it categorically, I think if we trade Watts it will be stupid, as we have spent this season reprogramming him, this still doesn't mean it won't happen though...not my choice, but would have thought if Roos thought that little of him he would be at Casey by now

If that is quality re programming we are in real trouble at the moment

[daisycutter 30,017]

  On 14/08/2014 at 06:51, jackaub said:

If that is quality re programming we are in real trouble at the moment

quite. there are still major bugs in the program