Changes for round 16 v Fremantle

[Nasher 33,613]

I find the reviews really good because they give me an idea of why people aren't getting a game and what the coaching staff is looking for from each player. Otherwise you end up with the situation like previous years where you have no idea why players aren't getting a game. Now I know that Blease isn't getting a game because he's not working hard enough defensively and that Fitzpatrick isn't because he needs to compete in the air better. There are plenty of positive reviews, like Georgiou. He had a bad review against Coburg, but has had excellent reviews over the last few weeks and now we know that he deserves a spot in the AFL except that he needs to wait until a spot opens up.

I would love to have read one of the reviews the week Magner got 50 possessions and still didn't get picked for Melbourne. I was no Magner fan, but I was incredulous that week.

[nutbean 8,838]

Do it for the 22 blokes running around for the red and the blue as well and I have no problem with it.

No-one has convinced me of the necessity for a coach to publically evaluate fringe players NOT playing AFL while excluding senior players or even fringe players playing AFL.

At least it is advocating a consistent approach.

[monoccular 17,417]

I am not one for political correctness but geez I find the word "dud" offensive.

Me too - these guys have been picked for AFL lists: some succeed, some don't. Always have, always will. Doesn't make me see the need to call them 'duds'.

I would love to have read one of the reviews the week Magner got 50 possessions and still didn't get picked for Melbourne. I was no Magner fan, but I was incredulous that week.

I guess Nasher this whole business of who is promoted, who is named amongst the better players in the press, and by observers at the ground vs who the club see as playing their rôle, and doing the job asked of them will always result in differences of opinion. (I suspect that some of the press "best players" are heavily influenced by looking at the stats - Barry's promotion came immediately after a game with very few raw stats but a game where he apparently did exactly what was asked of him: Blease on the other hand had lots of possessions but may not have played his rôle).

I reckon the club looks for different things than the fans and media necessarily do, especially in "developing players".

[nutbean 8,838]

They certainly make good reading and do have the benefit (which is perhaps the aim?) of making a clear point about what Roos demands from the whole list and what he values.

Clear to who ? It is making it clear to the supporters. The players could have a point made to them just as clearly without it being public.

I wish players weren't so namby pamby and with fragile ego's but apparently that is the case.

We have seen that confidence is built on gossamer and takes very little for it dissipate. Roos has been so measured in his public responses on all our players and when he has gone a little harder it has been at the group level not the individuals.

I think the perfect example is Jack Watts ( everyone's whipping boy). I have seen great improvement in him this year but I am under no illusion - he has a fair way to go yet. I would be interested on how he would have been critiqued had he been dropped to Casey ? We have noticed a lot of good Jack this year but there is no escaping that we still see some bad Jack as well. Have we once witnessed Roos even hint at criticism of him ?

[Ethan Tremblay 30,838]

So what are the likely/suggested changes for this week?

Any word on how T Mac has pulled up?

[binman 42,759]

Clear to who ? It is making it clear to the supporters.

Yes, clear to supporters. But not just to supporters, clear to the wider football world (fans, media, other clubs). I think taking opportunities to reinforce externally what is valued creates a framework and set of external expectations that supports developing a strong culture based on those things valued (hard two way running, team defense, team first attitude etc).

Roos has been at pains to reinforce these values externally (as opposed to to internal discussion with players) and has said he wants it to be clear to all and sundry what the club stands for and what people can expect week in, week out when the dees play a game. Think of the bloods culture at the swans or the perceived attacking, corridor focused approach of the cats or the defensive pressure of Freo. These approaches are highlighted all the time (in the media, by fans etc) and i would argue this reinforces the desired culture and makes it harder for players to stray from it.

Just the fact that dees fans expect all players to gut run both ways this year and can identify when a player doesn't is evidence of how external pressure can reinforce a club culture

It might be a long bow but perhaps one motivation for such honest players appraisal is to contribute to creating a set of external expectations that support the development of the internal ones.

Edited July 3, 2014 by binman

[Demons rising 52]

reading through paul roos on mfc

minimal changes

i think it will be two changes in mcdonald mckenzie

out jetta +?nicholson/salem

[OLC 6]

My problem isn't with criticism.

I have seen probably 6 Casey games live this year, and no matter how good a coach Roos is you cannot make judgements from sub standard recordings on a tape. He relies on assessments from Aliison.

I would be interested on Allison's assessment on JKH around his "defensive efforts" and "not letting his man get free", you know the things that are the way we play at Melbourne, and every other Melbourne listed Casey player does.

I was disappointed with this side of his game, especially in a team that was getting

I wouldn't call Allison's reviews honest, I'd call them the message Melbourne wants to communicate.

I wouldn't even call them accurate

[Axis of Bob 11,773]

My problem isn't with criticism.

I have seen probably 6 Casey games live this year, and no matter how good a coach Roos is you cannot make judgements from sub standard recordings on a tape. He relies on assessments from Aliison.

I would be interested on Allison's assessment on JKH around his "defensive efforts" and "not letting his man get free", you know the things that are the way we play at Melbourne, and every other Melbourne listed Casey player does.

I was disappointed with this side of his game, especially in a team that was getting

I wouldn't call Allison's reviews honest, I'd call them the message Melbourne wants to communicate.

I wouldn't even call them accurate

I've only seen a couple of games this year, but I've found Allison's reviews to be pretty accurate (in terms of what I saw).

OLC, are you just upset that JKH has gone past Blease? Because if we are talking about defensive intent, JKH is in a different league. And the VFL reviews back that up.

[OLC 6]

Yeah - no mention

[Coq au vin 755]

If you're a Casey player in a team that is losing by big margins every week and Casey is the melbourne reserves (plus a few) do you think you are likely to be a great AFL player in the next few years? I don't.

So nobody thinks Cale Morton was a dud?

Or diamond Jim Tilbrook? Or Gysberts?

Duds and spuds

Name one current player in MFC who would have got a game in the 1959

team..

[Nasher 33,613]

Are you trying to give dee-luded's recent record of consecutive posts a shake, macintosha? At least he was actually responding to other posts rather than replying to himself.

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[Bingo 297]

If you're a Casey player in a team that is losing by big margins every week and Casey is the melbourne reserves (plus a few) do you think you are likely to be a great AFL player in the next few years? I don't.

So nobody thinks Cale Morton was a dud?

Or diamond Jim Tilbrook? Or Gysberts?

Duds and spuds

Name one current player in MFC who would have got a game in the 1959

team..

None...they weren't alive

[Coq au vin 755]

Don't be silly

[Yossarian 1,820]

Hoping to see Tappy get his chance at seniors before the end of the year, even I have been disappointed by him pretty much every time he's been promoted.

[jane02 3,746]

I have a friend who is in Darwin for work and off to see the game tomorrow. He is obviously a bit behind the times as he had his photo taken with Colin Sylvia and sent it to me as he thought I might like it!!

[binman 42,759]

I have a friend who is in Darwin for work and off to see the game tomorrow. He is obviously a bit behind the times as he had his photo taken with Colin Sylvia and sent it to me as he thought I might like it!!

post neeld ironic?

[jnrmac 20,055]

Anyone like to place a wager on Sylvia having a blinder (and I don't mean at a Darwin nightspot)

Seems like it always happens to us when one of our ex-players plays against us.........