On 04/06/2014 at 00:10, nutbean said:

The kick from the boundary under pressure to hit Bail (I think) running into an open goal was an absolute gem. And the dragging the ball down one hand was pretty good too.

  On 04/06/2014 at 03:08, Lamashtu said:

Amazing what a solid game plan, good drafting and a renowned coach can do for a club.

I'm interested in the question of the gameplan and this particular example of play. Salem's pass was executed perfectly and Bail was in the perfect position to make the most of it. However, if this had been early 2013, would Bail have been running into goal or would the coach's instructions have had him sitting on his man to defend the space? (Note: This is a serious question and not intended to be used to criticise Neeld. I just want to get a better understanding of how the gameplan has actually changed.)

Joel Selwood was amazing in his first year. If Salem gets anywhere near that by year's end I'll be happy.

  On 04/06/2014 at 03:13, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I'm interested in the question of the gameplan and this particular example of play. Salem's pass was executed perfectly and Bail was in the perfect position to make the most of it. However, if this had been early 2013, would Bail have been running into goal or would the coach's instructions have had him sitting on his man to defend the space? (Note: This is a serious question and not intended to be used to criticise Neeld. I just want to get a better understanding of how the gameplan has actually changed.)

No you are right one of Roh Bail's instructions is to use his running ability, but he has to go both ways, and he has to impact the scoreboard, which he is now doing on a regular basis

  On 04/06/2014 at 03:13, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I'm interested in the question of the gameplan and this particular example of play. Salem's pass was executed perfectly and Bail was in the perfect position to make the most of it. However, if this had been early 2013, would Bail have been running into goal or would the coach's instructions have had him sitting on his man to defend the space? (Note: This is a serious question and not intended to be used to criticise Neeld. I just want to get a better understanding of how the gameplan has actually changed.)

I don't think Bail would be defending space when we were in possession of the footy.

I know Salem had to freakishly win that 1on1 contest, but it was kicked to him by a teammate.

I'd say the difference is in confidence and clarity of what is expected of you.

  On 04/06/2014 at 04:36, Machsy said:

I don't think Bail would be defending space when we were in possession of the footy.

I know Salem had to freakishly win that 1on1 contest, but it was kicked to him by a teammate.

I'd say the difference is in confidence and clarity of what is expected of you.

Yes, a gameplan's not much use of it's not clear. I recall reading somewhere (Demonland?) that it was claimed that under the previous regime players they were getting mixed messages from the different coaches.

  On 04/06/2014 at 04:51, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Yes, a gameplan's not much use of it's not clear. I recall reading somewhere (Demonland?) that it was claimed that under the previous regime players they were getting mixed messages from the different coaches.

No that was a myth created on Demonland to justify certain postings, that's in the past, look forward to the QB

He looks an absolute gem, but the difference between now and previous periods in our club history is that Roos and co. aren't going to overload him. They'll keep adding to his load in small doses and let him develop in his own way.

There's something about him that screams "pure footballer".

  On 04/06/2014 at 05:08, Satyriconhome said:

No that was a myth created on Demonland to justify certain postings, that's in the past, look forward to the QB

Wasnt a myth as James Magner confirmed last year.

Dont let truth get in the way though..

  On 04/06/2014 at 05:08, Satyriconhome said:

No that was a myth created on Demonland to justify certain postings, that's in the past, look forward to the QB

Right... Not sure if serious.

  On 04/06/2014 at 05:14, dazzledavey36 said:

Wasnt a myth as James Magner confirmed last year.

Dont let truth get in the way though..

Oh you mean Magner the guy who didn't have an axe to grind, just like Moloney, give it a rest, move on, the same Magner who wallowed in self satisfaction when Neeld was axed, sank in my estimation from that moment on

  On 04/06/2014 at 05:08, Satyriconhome said:

No that was a myth created on Demonland to justify certain postings, that's in the past, look forward to the QB

It was really created by Roos but as you say 'Sat' it is in the past. Looking forward to QB and beyond.

  On 04/06/2014 at 05:26, rjay said:

It was really created by Roos.

Gold

Seriously how classy is this bloke? I love the look of him already. The balance, composure, and nous to find Bail without making him break stride was brilliant.

Little moments like that early on in a young footballers career and you know he will be a gun. Then the hardness to bump Ebert and make space for Toumpas, to then finish off, showed the level head at that stage of the game.

I can't believe people who were questioning the deal. Tyson and Salem individually will be better footballers then Kelly IMO. Let alone both of them together.

Guns.

  On 04/06/2014 at 05:18, Satyriconhome said:

Oh you mean Magner the guy who didn't have an axe to grind, just like Moloney, give it a rest, move on, the same Magner who wallowed in self satisfaction when Neeld was axed, sank in my estimation from that moment on

I do wonder if the message or instruction to the players now is much simpler now and more narrow in focus. Three of 4 clear things to do and thats it ?

From your insight would you think that is fair comment ?

I'm positive I've heard current players talk about the clarity of their roles under Roos.

Watts? Jamar?

You're trying to defend the indefensible again Saty.

Oh dear.

  Quote

The game plan he arrives with at Melbourne is not a surprise, and yet it has surprised his suspicious players who were disarmed by his insistence that there was only one game plan. They heard his words, but remained circumspect, waiting for the sting in the tail.

“They keep asking me, 'So 90 per cent will be us [what we do]?' “Yeah, yeah, yeah,” he laughs, explaining his task of convincing the sceptics. “So that was a big thing in their minds that they wanted to stand for something as a player group.

“That was a real key focus, reinforcing to them 'We will do this'. They'd ask, 'Will we do it against every team?' And we'd be, 'Yeah, we will do it against every team, it will change slightly, but yes'. And they'd be like, 'Oh, OK'.”

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/new-coach-paul-roos-shocked-by-demons-scars-20140207-327i4.html#ixzz33eFQN500

Multiple gameplans is a form of mixed messaging...

And it is simply confidence that Bail got on the end of that kick. Ability of both players to see it as a possibility (because what the hell was that?), and confidence.

  On 04/06/2014 at 06:12, rpfc said:

And it is simply confidence that Bail got on the end of that kick. Ability of both players to see it as a possibility (because what the hell was that?), and confidence.

It looked pretty instinctive to me too.

That kick to Bail was something special, especially the way he trapped and controlled the awkward incoming ball before hand

Strength, balance, amazing vision, incredible skill

Havent seen a kick that sublime this season by any player from any club

  On 04/06/2014 at 06:20, hogans_heroes said:

That kick to Bail was something special, especially the way he trapped and controlled the awkward incoming ball before hand

Strength, balance, amazing vision, incredible skill

Havent seen a kick that sublime this season by any player from any club

reminded me a little of Stevie J, you just sit there and think, WOW

One out of the box.

Like blokes that have an interest in boxing before they are drafted. Not being physically intimidated is a big thing for a kid trying to make his way in the game.

Does he also kick well on his non-preferred? I haven't seen the PA game and I can't recall having seen him use his right foot in the games I've seen.

Satyr - I'm sure you would have seen him use his right foot at training. Is he comfortable kicking with it?

My favourite bit so far is the physical stuff. Strong shepherds, etc. He made Ebert look like a kid.

  On 04/06/2014 at 06:48, autocol said:

My favourite bit so far is the physical stuff. Strong shepherds, etc. He made Ebert look like a kid.

I think Ebert made himself look like that. He was trying to milk a free IMO.

  On 04/06/2014 at 02:52, monoccular said:

The guy is acquitting himself pretty well already physically as well as mentally and with sound judgement and poise, in a modest manner without appearing to be getting ahead of himself in any manner.

What little I have been able to see of him excites me more than any of our first year players in my memory.

The pick up, quick thinking and pass to the running Bail was awesome; but I think even more impressive was the teaming with Toumpas, laying the solid shepherd (very un-Melbourne like pre 2014 - the Port guy actually fell over, when have we seen that from a MFC shepherd?) then running on to receive the beautifully weighted and timed pass from Jimmy (even more un-Melbourne like pre 2014).

The underlined bits are totally new to this year's team. I remain stunned by the change.

Yes, that shepherd/ bump knocked Ebert for six. How about his speed to initiate the shepherd?