Is it a "fact" that 18/18 recruiters would've picked him over Wines, hmm in your opinion. I doubt anyone in need of a tough as nails inside mid would have recruited him over Wines, and MFC 2012 were in dire need of inside grunt.

Toumpas may very well turn out to be a great player, but the fact still remains- for what we needed at the time, we missed out on a genuine 10 year beauty, meanwhile out pick 3 is languishing in the VFL- that's a fact!

The thing we were also in desperate need of/ still lack is leadership and outside class Toumpas had both, and considering we already Viney stitched up I felt on balance the toumpas decision made sense, Wines is obviously streets ahead now, probably ahead of Viney also, which is great for him, a little disappointing for the Dees supporters.

But lets be honest our current group of recruiters have been really good in the last couple of years, this decision is the one that they would have spent the most time in, so hopefully Toumpas lives up to the rating, I think he will

Hopefully. He's a long way back.

Just another example of MFC recruiting trying to be a little too cute and prophetic at a time when we needed a sure thing. 2 Viney's are better than one..

Hopefully. He's a long way back.

Just another example of MFC recruiting trying to be a little too cute and prophetic at a time when we needed a sure thing. 2 Viney's are better than one..

Couldn't disagree more. At the time, the only surprise in the top end of that draft was the selection of O'Rourke over Toumpas

Nothing cute or prophetic about it

Edited July 22, 201411 yr by Go the Biff

Couldn't disagree more. At the time, the only surprise in the top end of that draft was the selection of O'Rourke over Toumpas

Nothing cute or prophetic about it

Plowman over Toumpas also, Grundy sliding to 18 shocked me

there were knocks on Wines skills, although I must admit he has improved a lot in that area

Channel 9 just reported Melbourne are front runners to land Jeremy Cameron and considered a big chance to also land Dylan Shiel

I think we would have to make some serious sacrifices this trade week

would picks 2, 3 and a player get the deal done for both?

Channel 9 just reported Melbourne are front runners to land Jeremy Cameron and considered a big chance to also land Dylan Shiel

I think we would have to make some serious sacrifices this trade week

would picks 2, 3 and a player get the deal done for both?

Doubt it would happen but it would be a dream scenario. Assuming Frawley leaves, we'd likely have to give up our first two picks (3+4 at this stage) and a player.

Jeremy Cameron was 1 goal off a Coleman and was All Australian last year aged 19-20. Shiel is a promising midfielder who is already impacting games and gaining more and more influence.

We'd probably wind up giving 3+4+ a Kent or Howe type. It would be a good trade IMO. Put Cameron up forward for the next 10 year with Hogan, and Dawes guiding them for the next 5 years or so and getting the 3rd defender every week, it potentially becomes the most dangerous tall forward line in the league. Add a powerful, aggressive, speedy midfielder in Shiel to our current stocks and it takes us straight up the ladder next year.

Alas, it is all but a dream. Don't think this scenario could eventuate even if we wanted it to.

I wonder if he's signed elsewhere? Very interesting. This will only send the rumour mill into overdrive. < Exhibit A.

Me too... thats the 1st thing I thought of, after hearing of the (season ending surgery ?) 2nd was, are they about to try for 1st or 2nd pick ???

I spoke to a prominent player manager who informed me I should be quite confident of seeing one of Treloar or Shiel at the Dees next year.

Treloar is contracted but apparently keen to look at opportunities elsewhere and they Giants have decided to make keeping Cameron, Patton and Boyd together, their priority. This means they'll certainly have to concede something in the midfield.

Shiel won't be there next year, wants out and not well liked around the club anyway.

On that basis, assuming we finish where we are now, Frawley leaves and we get pick 4 as compensation, what do we think of the following:

Pick 3 and Blease OR Tapscott (both former 1st rounders) to GWS

For

Treloar and Shiel (alternative for GWS – blow up you salary cap trying to hold onto Treloar and lose 1 of their key talls which are harder to replace).

Next year's midfield stocks:

• N Jones
• Vince
• Tyson
• Cross
• Viney
• Treloar
• Shiel
• Salem
• Trengove
• Toumpas
• Pick 4 (priority pick having traded pick 3 to GWS… Brayshaw?)
• GWS most likely use pick 3 to get Petracca as a replacement mid.

I suggest GWS will get either P-1 or P-2 fir this draft?

Us, P-3 or P-4, + compo as well (4 or 5). I can't see GWS losing both Shiel & Treloar in the one year. hurt them too much, just won't happen.

I'd like "Shiel & a tall key swingman (Jaksch)". I think our 1st Rndr or Compo pick, & P-23, might get the 2 players over the line, maybe with a steak knives thrown in?

I'd also look at trading our other 1st Rndr or Compo pick. Maybe to the Suns? (early pick plus a player) for they're (P-11 & P-16ish)... these could get us something handy.

Is it a "fact" that 18/18 recruiters would've picked him over Wines, hmm in your opinion. I doubt anyone in need of a tough as nails inside mid would have recruited him over Wines, and MFC 2012 were in dire need of inside grunt.

Toumpas may very well turn out to be a great player, but the fact still remains- for what we needed at the time, we missed out on a genuine 10 year beauty, meanwhile out pick 3 is languishing in the VFL- that's a fact!

Toumpas was highly rated, it looked like we were set to get Wines at one stage but realised that Toump will slip to pick #4, so we jumped at it, the other 17 clubs would have done the exact same thing too. Obviously it doesn't look like that now, but who's not to say Toump will evolve into a gun? Players take time to develop, RE Tom Hawkins, was pretty crud to start off with, but now without him Geelong are f'd. Wines looked the goods from the start, Toump has shown signs, but was coming off serious injuries last year, now Roos is treating him as a first year player for this season.

What I have heard is Todd viney wanted to pick wines but was overruled by neeld who wanted toumpas

My first thought is he's told the he's out, they go well we're not gunna play you anymore - might as well get your ankle done

I wonder if he's signed elsewhere? Very interesting. This will only send the rumour mill into overdrive. < Exhibit A.

I was thinking much the same thing. Maybe there is no ankle surgery lol.

Channel 9 just reported Melbourne are front runners to land Jeremy Cameron and considered a big chance to also land Dylan Shiel

I think we would have to make some serious sacrifices this trade week

would picks 2, 3 and a player get the deal done for both?

Did you see the Channel 9 report? Or are you going off Facebook ?

Sweet Dee have we met??

I am the one and only Picket Fence!

Like what you have got to say... BUT be careful...

There are many here who will fight you tooth and nail for these utterances!

So Beware!

PF

You sure have that right PF beware the ones who deny reality on here they hurt!What were they thinking?One look at Olie should have been enough given our appalling midfield stocks

What I have heard is Todd viney wanted to pick wines but was overruled by neeld who wanted toumpas

Go away.

I think that Viney is better and more valuable than Wines and Macrae...

What I have heard is Todd viney wanted to pick wines but was overruled by neeld who wanted toumpas

Do you have a quote todd Viney said that?

Hard not to get excited. The recruiters are really going for it and targeting exactly the types we need. Two gun young forwards in Hogan and Cameron, a midfield with Tyson, Viney and Shiel and a Sandilands like ruck in Gawn. Also having Salem, Toumpas, Riley, Mitchie and JKH in the wings with plenty of upside. The backline is stable and well performed and we are assembling one of the best coaching panels in the comp.

Credit to all concerned.

I don't believe the neeld overruled viney story, I believe we took toumpas because we thought he was a better option, time will tell if we made the right call or not

Channel 9 just reported Melbourne are front runners to land Jeremy Cameron and considered a big chance to also land Dylan Shiel

I think we would have to make some serious sacrifices this trade week

would picks 2, 3 and a player get the deal done for both?

mate, i'm at work and i'm a teacher. Boners aren't really acceptable in my work place, and can get me into a lot of trouble. Stop it right now.

What I have heard is Todd viney wanted to pick wines but was overruled by neeld who wanted toumpas

mate, you really need to get over this. i'm worried about you. I assume you stalk your ex-girlfriends facebooks too?

Edited July 22, 201411 yr by The Song Formerly Known As

mate, i'm at work and i'm a teacher. Boners aren't really acceptable in my work place, and can get me into a lot of trouble. Stop it right now.

But you can refer to them during year 9 sex ed!

I would do pick 3,4 and Kent in a heartbeat

Channel 9 just reported Melbourne are front runners to land Jeremy Cameron and considered a big chance to also land Dylan Shiel

I think we would have to make some serious sacrifices this trade week

would picks 2, 3 and a player get the deal done for both?

And Jeremy Cameron just got put on ice for the rest of 2014

Perhaps hes already told the Giants hes leaving? hmmmm

And Jeremy Cameron just got put on ice for the rest of 2014

Perhaps hes already told the Giants hes leaving? hmmmm

the fact he is contracted and the giants would have no trouble offering him a mil plus per year also, means basically he has to say he is gone either way before they would even consider trading him.

Hilarious that you think you're now an expert on Petracca when I was pumping him up around the championships, and I was hardly the first.

Have you watched a couple of replays and think you're the now the resident expert?

Well done Steve.

His tank is not there yet, and testing might show he has the tank of a Ziebell, Petrenko or Dustin Martin.

I'm not talking about work ethic, I'm talking about his predisposed genetic makeup that will determine the ceiling of his potential.

That could make him a player that can only impact in bursts.

It's currently an unknown.

He's also strong in a lot of areas, but far from perfect.

And if you're absolutely convinced he's as good as you're making out, then we're going to need pick 1.

You're such an interesting poster Machsy.

You get up on that high horse with the flick of a switch.

This is a forum for MFC supporters and I've posted my opinion of Petracca as a player you insecure fairy.

Not once have I or do I claim myself an expert. Everyone is aware this is a football forum and people are entitled to share whatever views they hold. You're a strange guy.

I hear that you disagree with my view of Petracca and that's fine.

But I'll continue to rebut your stance on this 'tank' talk. Aerobic testing will show nothing but how fit he is at this moment in time..

Genetic predispositions to aerobic/anaerobic capacity and thresholds are really not that important at AFL level unless you're lacking majorly in other areas of your game. This is not an athlete competing in a running event in the Olympics. It's the AFL. No [censored] genetics help. But my argument is that once kids are playing in the midfield at state level, their 'fitness levels' and 'tanks' are already high. Some will have naturally better tanks, some won't be quite as strong. But once these kids get to the AFL, it's their appetite to work as hard as they can that will determine how fit they can become.

Tell me who has the best 'genetics' when it comes to endurance running out of:

Fyfe

Mitchell

Kennedy

Bartel (in his prime)

Ablett

Cotchin

Dangerfield

I'll answer it Machsy. Nobody cares. They've all got themselves to an extremely high level of fitness due to their work ethic. Some will obviously have a better natural fitness base but I don't ever hear anybody talking about it. They've all got AFL midfield fitness levels. It's their footballing attributes that people talk about. (And Dangerfield's explosiveness). Something the Petracca also has..

Edited July 23, 201411 yr by stevethemanjordan