Wouldn't go near Vickery with a barge pole. Goes missing for long periods of time and has never given 100% effort for 100% of the game.. wouldn't be the only Tiger guilty of that though.

same could of been said of Rodan at tiges, & Jay Shulz - http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/port-forward-jay-schulz-says-his-axing-from-richmond-was-just-what-he-needed/story-fni5f9de-1226718036782

Makes you wonder if the Tigers are just a toxic environment?

same could of been said of Rodan at tiges, & Jay Shulz - http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/port-forward-jay-schulz-says-his-axing-from-richmond-was-just-what-he-needed/story-fni5f9de-1226718036782

Forget Vickery and Butcher. If we need extra talls and we do then we can draft ones who can kick and want to get a kick. Depending where we finish in the pecking order McCartin is one that has a lot of mongrel, can mark, get the ball and kick. The game will have passed the likes of Vickery and Butcher by.

Fye 28 disposals to 3/4 time. Throw him a mill a year

Makes you wonder if the Tigers are just a toxic environment?

like us until recently, the Saints prior to Thomas/Lyon, the Bears prior to Matthews, the Dogs?, the Hawks prior to Kennedy/Jeans.

they still have to grapple with the culture thing. It Does exist. its a spiritual thing. the soul of a club/collective.

Forget Vickery and Butcher. If we need extra talls and we do then we can draft ones who can kick and want to get a kick. Depending where we finish in the pecking order McCartin is one that has a lot of mongrel, can mark, get the ball and kick. The game will have passed the likes of Vickery and Butcher by.

I don't write off talented people, if given the chance, unless first hand see their lack of effort under strong support.

Forget Vickery and Butcher. If we need extra talls and we do then we can draft ones who can kick and want to get a kick. Depending where we finish in the pecking order McCartin is one that has a lot of mongrel, can mark, get the ball and kick. The game will have passed the likes of Vickery and Butcher by.

With those guys it'd all be about what we'd give up, I reckon we would be likely paying overs for people that aren't proven. I was comfortable with us paying overs for Dawes as he had shown he could play. Vickery is yet to do that and while Butcher has shown ability he is extremely injury prone.

I would rather us go after and pay overs for someone that has shown he can play.

The Tiges deciding they could either not afford Matty White or give him a 3 year deal looms as a list management clanger.

Makes you wonder if the Tigers are just a toxic environment?

A content environment perhaps.

Richmond desperately need a 'Nathan Jones/Jack Viney' type player.

They lack an inside mid, they believe talent alone will get them there, it won't.

Shane Tuck was a bigger loss for them than they recognize.

The Tiges deciding they could either not afford Matty White or give him a 3 year deal looms as a list management clanger.

I suggested Matty White last year, in the recruiting thread. I think he was one of the free agents, was he? I liked his running & speed & had little confidence long term for Bail, etc. everyone chortled like magpies in autumn.

just like they scoffed at me suggesting Chappy for the last 3 years.

I suggested Matty White last year, in the recruiting thread. I think he was one of the free agents, was he? I liked his running & speed & had little confidence long term for Bail, etc. everyone chortled like magpies in autumn.

just like they scoffed at me suggesting Chappy for the last 3 years.

I wouldnt have scoffed at you last year for chappy 3 years, because i didnt have a demonland account.

But i will now. He is way way way too injury prone for a 3 year deal. He has already shown his injury troubles this year and the last thing we needed was an older player clogging our list due to injury. On the contrary im happy we got an ageing cross, because he is not injury prone.

I wouldnt have scoffed at you last year for chappy 3 years, because i didnt have a demonland account.

But i will now. He is way way way too injury prone for a 3 year deal. He has already shown his injury troubles this year and the last thing we needed was an older player clogging our list due to injury. On the contrary im happy we got an ageing cross, because he is not injury prone.

HaHaHa, sorry, I didn't suggest a 3 year contract for Chappy, a 1Yr contract, which I've been suggesting for about the last 2 or 3 years. to get his attitude, hunger & culture leadership to our club.

So a 1Yr contract was my call for him... may have suggested 2 years, about 3 years back? can't remember now.

essentially I wanted to rid the club of the old players who grew up with the weak culture, & keep our young kids, but bring in great leaders from the successful clubs with great cultures, to teach the kids.

Treloar of GWS is said to be unhappy over in the west sydney badlands and will be on his bike home at end of year.

IMO, he's better value than Scully and definitely worth looking at.

Surprised at the lack of replies to the above comment. Treloar is just about the best midfielder on the Giants list and would be a huge get. If frawely does leave, it would put us in a great position to obtain him.

Any more details on this WJ?

Patton in abit of a form slump.

Hopefully he keeps it up abit so his stocks lower.

I want him

GWS are awful without Mummy in. Scully an absolute [censored], turnover merchant; literally makes their team worse. Bring on the player exodus please!

Must be miserable for those talented young players, drafted to a team with no history or culture with no supporters, playing in the badlands of a city where nobody cares about AFL, with nobody bothering to show up and watch you play every week.

I think any Victorian player who grew up dreaming of playing for an AFL team would be desperate to get back to Victoria and run out on the MCG every other week for a Melbourne based team.

GWS is a wreck..

must go all out at their talented players come end of the year.

Patton treloar sheil Tomlinson orourke plowman are all gettable, we couple potential land a couple

I hope GWS cop beltings like that all year.

Hopefully some players want out.

Shiel has that physicality that we need.

If they offered up Toby Greene, I wouldn't take him.

Ordinary today.

Yep, could care less about how bad the floggings against them are. Rubbish team holding some genuine talent hostage, and serves the AFL right for compromising the draft for so many years.

The more floggings they receive, the better our chances of landing their best players. I'd say anyone they haven't convinced to re-sign yet is looking for a ticket home (Patton, Shiel, Treloar?). I note they wasted no time locking Kelly away on a 4 year contract literally the day after his first game (think they won against StK?), knowing he'd be optimistic about the team's direction. They've been going backwards ever since.

Any decent players not signed up by Brisbane should also be gettable.

ANOTHER DOM TYSON PLEASE!

GWS is a potential goldmine. They've had 18 first round draft picks since coming into the AFL and plenty of them aren't getting games due to injury and form. In the right environment they could develop into great players. Dom Tyson is a great example. I'd definately be looking at guys like O'Rourke and Tomlinson at years end.

Any decent players not signed up by Brisbane should also be gettable.

I'll take Justin Clarke, Sam Mayes would be nice and Zorko

GWS is a potential goldmine. They've had 18 first round draft picks since coming into the AFL and plenty of them aren't getting games due to injury and form. In the right environment they could develop into great players. Dom Tyson is a great example. I'd definately be looking at guys like O'Rourke and Tomlinson at years end.

Yes, there are plenty of GWS youngsters that will want to be heading home or leave the club. They are a young, up and coming side with an abundance of young talent, that simply cannot be kept. I would not be surprised if Roos isnt already enticed to get some young guns from them

Every club in the comp will be circling gws, we need to use our cap room and try and get a couple of good kids

Would be stoked with treloar, tommlinson and orourke

Ryan O'Keefe would be a handy pick up.

36 touches on the weekend in the reserves.

Apparently won't be getting his contract renewed at seasons end.

His last year at the Swans, I think O'Keefe is good for another 2-3 after this year.

A side consisting of O'Keefe and Cross is a pretty professional outfit.

Good teachers.