The most inept ruck combo in the biz. Just remember guys #film is not dead .

The difference between us and the Eagles is that they took Masten at 3 and we took Morton at 4, look at what the respective clubs did with developing that talent, tells you everything you need to know.

We all know that Trengove had groin injuries in his last couple of years, and tbh he doesn't look close to recovered.

I also don't think he's suited to big grounds - he has solid endurance, but cannot get across the ground with any pace whatsoever, which really limits him on grounds like the G.

Whilst we have no forward line, we are in for a world of pain. GWS will carve us up in the middle, and their forward line is what we dream about. Tom Boyd to debut next week, perhaps?

The difference between us and the Eagles is that they took Masten at 3 and we took Morton at 4, look at what the respective clubs did with developing that talent, tells you everything you need to know.

Yeah, they developed Masten in to a really good player and dumped Morton after one season, what's your point?

We all know that Trengove had groin injuries in his last couple of years, and tbh he doesn't look close to recovered.

I also don't think he's suited to big grounds - he has solid endurance, but cannot get across the ground with any pace whatsoever, which really limits him on grounds like the G.

Whilst we have no forward line, we are in for a world of pain. GWS will carve us up in the middle, and their forward line is what we dream about. Tom Boyd to debut next week, perhaps?

given the nature of the fact that ALL grounds are rather large what in that critique really suggests hes suited to AFL at all...just asking

these are a nature of questioning that needs to be HONESTLY appraised

Can he play at this level, effectively ...at all.??

I don't care about 20 metres, it's about the first five metres.

Clint I think we are talking the same thing but I don't believe I have seen a 5 meter time trial measure. We are both talking about acceleration, reaction time, it is very important for forwards and inside midfielders. People become backman because they lack acceleration and overcome that by reading the play, so do a lot of outside mids as well, I think.

I have a feeling Trengove may not have done Draft Camp because he was playing SANFL finals maybe!

Clint I think we are talking the same thing but I don't believe I have seen a 5 meter time trial measure. We are both talking about acceleration, reaction time, it is very important for forwards and inside midfielders. People become backman because they lack acceleration and overcome that by reading the play, so do a lot of outside mids as well, I think.

I have a feeling Trengove may not have done Draft Camp because he was playing SANFL finals maybe!

The closest I could find about the draft camp results were here.

Trenners at his best is a very capable player

hes been crueled, will he regain what he's lost ?

We all know that Trengove had groin injuries in his last couple of years, and tbh he doesn't look close to recovered.

I also don't think he's suited to big grounds - he has solid endurance, but cannot get across the ground with any pace whatsoever, which really limits him on grounds like the G.

Whilst we have no forward line, we are in for a world of pain. GWS will carve us up in the middle, and their forward line is what we dream about. Tom Boyd to debut next week, perhaps?

This is the point. Has Trengove had groin problems? We have never had that news from the club that I remember. More so we cut him that slack that he must have OP or something similar to explain his lack of speed and acceleration. Who has the proof that he is injured?

Trenners at his best is a very capable player

hes been crueled, will he regain what he's lost ?

Genuine forward pocket, HF flanker.

Needs to play deep.

Slow as, but keeps his feet, good overhead mark and fairly reliable from 30-40m out.

Full of admiration for Dunn. Has pulled his head in since his pornstar mo days and become disciplined and uses that good boot of his as an offensive weapon.

Trenners at his best is a very capable player

hes been crueled, will he regain what he's lost ?

The only logical explanation now is that he never had it.

wish it could be done now

Damn those employee's laws!

Effen unions.

Genuine forward pocket, HF flanker.

Needs to play deep.

Slow as, but keeps his feet, good overhead mark and fairly reliable from 30-40m out.

i agree..out of the way and can use his talent.. speed not of essence but guile is.

problem is though...he cant kick for shilt now.. how many times has he fluffed 40 m ?? just saying.

love that if he did nt

We need to get real...the list is stuffed currently.. Some very arduous decisions await

The only logical explanation now is that he never had it.

Ill accept he did,,,but the body now constrains

Trengove did the state screening that year because he was in the SANFL GF. From memory he had a 2.97 second (ish) 20m sprint and a 15+ beep test.

His problem isn't his first few steps, it's his top end speed. That's why he looks slow in space. Trengove needs to play as an inside midfielder. The closer you get to each end of the ground the more important it is that you have pace.

Genuine forward pocket, HF flanker.

Needs to play deep.

Slow as, but keeps his feet, good overhead mark and fairly reliable from 30-40m out.

Deep forward or back is the worst spot for someone who lacks speed.

Plus you nullify his best athletic asset: his endurance.

Deep forward or back is the worst spot for someone who lacks speed.

Plus you nullify his best athletic asset: his endurance.

cliff young had endurance....not the real asset we seek I feel in Trenners

Can't remember the last time I enjoyed watching the footy.

U watch other teams play well and think if only.

I am really gutted there just doesn't seem to be any end to it.

cliff young had endurance....not the real asset we seek I feel in Trenners

What are you attempting to say?

a) Trengove doesn't have good endurance, or

b) Endurance is not important for an AFL footballer.

The closest I could find about the draft camp results were here.

Thanks for that Clint looks like Trenners wasn't there. If he was he didn't perform well. But gee he is a nice sort of chap though. Not a nasty type if you know what I mean.

From reading that link can we just employ Emma Quayle part time. She seems to be on the money quite often or should I say much more often than our recruiters over the 2000's? And that would not be hard.

We have clearly chosen the wrong players for many years. This needs to be rectified over the next five years. Hopefully Roos and his henchmen can fix this.

What are you attempting to say?

a) Trengove doesn't have good endurance, or

b) Endurance is not important for an AFL footballer.

c)you miss the point...endurance is irrelevent if you've lost your ability to impact

he can run around all day ...for nought....pretty close to now actually

Endurance IS important but not the first requisite

Youd hardly know Trenners is out there... currently

The problem with slow outside players is you never get them the ball unless you move it quickly and precisely to take advantage of the gaps they run to. Trengove is a victim of the team the same way Watts is. Not excusing them for poor performances but unless we know how to use Trengove he may as well not be out there.

The main disappointment I have with him is that he's ordinary as an inside midfielder and he's slow to get up and down and move around not just slow in a straight line.

We have to perservere with Trengove as we don't have much else but I think we need the team to improve to see a spike in his performance.

Can't remember the last time I enjoyed watching the footy.

U watch other teams play well and think if only.

I am really gutted there just doesn't seem to be any end to it.

Having FOX is not good for me - I watch other teams and think of the 'what if....'

It's tough right now being a Dees' supporter, but the working week awaits.

We'll be right..