We would be better off letting him go for $800K and then chase Lachie Plowman with a $400K offer through the PSD.

  On 30/03/2014 at 10:38, stevethemanjordan said:

If people are talking about Frawley leaving, and having the right to do so, then they should also walk from the club.

Frawley is a senior player and is supposed to be leading by example and helping Jones drag this this team out of the hole it's in.

He plays like a defeatest and he makes the most simple of errors which proves that he's either not switched on enough during game day, or he is simply not playing within 'his own' limitations.

He needs a rocket up his arse. I don't know where his head is at but he needs to take a leaf out of his Captains book and start firming up as a senior clubsman and not some self-interested [censored] who plays his own game during matches.

Absolutely nailed it Steve. Plays like a defeatist. He's one of those blokes who looks permanently exasperated by what's going on around him but doesn't take charge. And I'll add that he would be in my top three players who I get extremely nervous about when they have the ball in hand.

I'm actually coming around to the idea that Chip leaving may actually allow us to start assembling a back line with a bit of nous and verve. Lets get some value from him through a trade as I don't see him getting any better. Garland was significantly better than him last year and, whilst I concede they have different roles, Dunn is way better than him this year. Too often he plays dumb football.

  On 30/03/2014 at 10:47, beelzebub said:

sorry not sure what this suggests. Of course he has the right to self determination.

other points reasonable but his is odd...sorry

Yes sure he has the right. But I am sick of it. He is part of the problem.

He can either grit his teeth and help turn this club around, or continue to 'think' about 'his' future and play in a way that clearly displays it. And if that's the case he can [censored] off.

I want players that play and care for the jumper and club. Frawley would be getting great money.

He is playing and acting like a child.

Love it Steve. I'm glad I'm not the only one. He plays with an 'I'm alright Jack attitude'. It will be on display this weekend.

  On 31/03/2014 at 23:15, Return to Glory said:

I'm actually coming around to the idea that Chip leaving may actually allow us to start assembling a back line with a bit of nous and verve. Lets get some value from him through a trade as I don't see him getting any better.

We won't be getting anything in a trade, if he leaves it will be as an UFA and we may get a compo pick unless the AFL changes the rules (which they have hinted at doing in the past).

  On 31/03/2014 at 23:22, stevethemanjordan said:

Yes sure he has the right. But I am sick of it. He is part of the problem.

He can either grit his teeth and help turn this club around, or continue to 'think' about 'his' future and play in a way that clearly displays it. And if that's the case he can [censored].

I want players that play and care for the jumper and club. Frawley would be getting great money.

He is playing and acting like a child.

I agree however while we are left behind bemoaning what he should've done to help us he will be celebrating a premiership with the Hawks.

At this stage if he leaves Band 1 compo which we would get for chip if he gets paid 800k for 4-5 years would be pick 2

obviously you'd like to hang onto senior players, in this case the ship seems like it's already sailed, and pick 2 isn't a terrible outcome, we probably get the better of that deal all things considered.

  On 31/03/2014 at 23:32, Dr. Gonzo said:

We won't be getting anything in a trade, if he leaves it will be as an UFA and we may get a compo pick unless the AFL changes the rules (which they have hinted at doing in the past).

I agree however while we are left behind bemoaning what he should've done to help us he will be celebrating a premiership with the Hawks.

Trouble is, the more he plays this year, the lower the compensation. It just passes me off that he has seemingly cracked the sads because he's not playing in a winning side.

  On 31/03/2014 at 23:34, Sassy said:

At this stage if he leaves Band 1 compo which we would get for chip if he gets paid 800k for 4-5 years would be pick 2

obviously you'd like to hang onto senior players, in this case the ship seems like it's already sailed, and pick 2 isn't a terrible outcome, we probably get the better of that deal all things considered.

I like that Sassy. Chips ahoy mateys.

  On 31/03/2014 at 23:32, Dr. Gonzo said:

We won't be getting anything in a trade, if he leaves it will be as an UFA and we may get a compo pick unless the AFL changes the rules (which they have hinted at doing in the past).

I agree however while we are left behind bemoaning what he should've done to help us he will be celebrating a premiership with the Hawks.

they won't change the rules mid season

  On 31/03/2014 at 23:42, daisycutter said:

they won't change the rules mid season

Especially if we are on the losing end. (Although with the AFL 'Anythings Possible'.)

Ox unleashes on Frawley

Melbourne legend David Schwarz has taken aim at key defender James Frawley following the club's big loss to the Eagles. Speaking on his program on SEN, the man known as the Ox felt Frawley wasn't living up to his potential and him know in no uncertain terms. "I watch him and I get so frustrated 'cause the bloke can play footy. But he is not … I don't know whether it's motivation or he doesn't care, but his decision making and his finishing for a quality player, is crap. It's nowhere near where it needs to be. If James Frawley is going to go on the open market at the end of the year - and he can do that, that's his prerogative - but I tell you now, clubs pick up on certain traits and one thing and I heard Brad Scott speak about it with Boomer Harvey, one thing is you can't question someone's endeavour. Well I reckon there's someone questioning James' endeavour at times. I love James Frawley, I've been his biggest supporter but every time Melbourne plays bad, James Frawley is one player that for some reason can't hold down his position. I know he's getting bombarded. He's a full back that's probably seen more footy as a fullback than any other full back in the last five years. (But he's a) Super player … I just don't understand why that positional, that his effort or the way that he's playing is representative of that at moment. He's nowhere near representative of that."

The last thing the AFL want, believe it or not, is this rubbish performance to continue.

They made sure we were handsomely rewarded for losing Scully. They'll make sure we're handsomely compensated for losing Frawley. Record low crowds and ratings for Melbourne based team home matches are a blight on the game and the AFL want it to end as much as wedo. The broadcasters, especially 7, would be having a stern conversation with the AFL about Sunday's match.

  On 31/03/2014 at 23:58, Lamashtu said:

The last thing the AFL want, believe it or not, is this rubbish performance to continue.

They made sure we were handsomely rewarded for losing Scully. They'll make sure we're handsomely compensated for losing Frawley. Record low crowds and ratings for Melbourne based team home matches are a blight on the game and the AFL want it to end as much as wedo. The broadcasters, especially 7, would be having a stern conversation with the AFL about Sunday's match.

I guarantee the AFL have a time frame, at some point they will say you have had enough time to get this right, time to relocated, or time to pull everything back and start again, or time to merge, they need a team called Melbourne, but atm we are so far off where we need to be it's crazy

  On 31/03/2014 at 22:05, H_T said:

It's disconcerning but I'm hopeful of a resurgence on field this season. Whilst the performance on the weekend is alarming, and there is no excuses for poor basic fundamentals, they can do better as a team. As long as there is hope and better performances around the corner, Frawley can still remain a Demon.

Watching the replay, there are some very basic fundamentals left behind by very experienced players.

Guys like Vince lacking any real awareness of the opposition, and turning it over frequently.

Jones not holding onto tackles.

Frawley not chasing...lol who am I kidding he never chases!

Sunday was deplorable. People saying they were okay because they got a lot of the ball: they were absolutely terrible.

The AFL should have given us that extra pick but they are hell bent on making GWS a success. And I just find Gillan McLaughlin, or whatever his name is, a bit of a snake oil salesman so heaven help us if he takes the helm. His performance with the Essendon saga was an exercise in compromise and I don't see him standing up for our needs.

If we are a two win side or less this year, we will get a priority pick. Surely the alternative is simply unacceptable in the eyes of the AFL.

Two wins or less? I'm trying to work out where we could win a game. Maybe Saints at the G.

  On 01/04/2014 at 00:14, Return to Glory said:

Two wins or less? I'm trying to work out where we could win a game. Maybe Saints at the G.

We don't play the Saints again this year. And unlike us, they are doing their rebuild properly by teaching their new players through the wisdom of their senior players. We just turfed out our senior list and threw all our expectations behind draft picks.

But the AFL must shoulder some of the blame here. Their five years of compromised drafts has deprived struggling teams of the talent.

  On 31/03/2014 at 23:34, Sassy said:

At this stage if he leaves Band 1 compo which we would get for chip if he gets paid 800k for 4-5 years would be pick 2

obviously you'd like to hang onto senior players, in this case the ship seems like it's already sailed, and pick 2 isn't a terrible outcome, we probably get the better of that deal all things considered.

If that did happen, who would Roosy chase to trade our Pick 2.

They way we are playing we'll nail down Pick 1 without tanking.

  On 01/04/2014 at 00:18, Chippy said:

If that did happen, who would Roosy chase to trade our Pick 2.

They way we are playing we'll nail down Pick 1 without tanking.

the way we are going i reckon we'll get

1 pp

2

3 ( chip compo

i'd chase, a quality ruckman, forward and mid

Frawley to leave $1.08

Frawley to stay $80.00

Mfc to get compo through draft as next to their round 2 choice #20.

  On 01/04/2014 at 03:53, spirit of norm smith said:

Frawley to leave $1.08

Frawley to stay $80.00

Mfc to get compo through draft as next to their round 2 choice #20.

I'd be shocked if we don't get Band 1 compo, we will probably finish last, he is going to get 800k because there is going to be a bidding war that we will be involved in and his contract will be somewhere around 4 years, 800k a year

reckon the compo will be pick 2

Gone all that is left is to sort out the details.

Yupp, i have heard at least 8 teams seriously keen on him

  On 01/04/2014 at 00:18, Lamashtu said:

But the AFL must shoulder some of the blame here. Their five years of compromised drafts has deprived struggling teams of the talent.

Too true.

The AFL will support Roos and Jackson as they want the club to be competitive, only for broadcast, attendance. financial drain and ladder percentage advantages to whoever plays us, reasons.

I would in the middle of the year, demand 5 PP picks from the AFL. 1 for drafting in the first round and 1 for trading in the first round and say 3 at the beginning of the 2nd round to trade or draft with. That is the way to get an immediate impact. 1 PP is almost meaningless given our current position.