You've got no idea.

Roos didn't want or need Sylvia, and knew he was going a long time before.

Roos just needed to keep up appearances to ensure we didn't get a booby prize like when Rivers & Moloney left and clearly weren't wanted, despite them having some value.

Althought the compensation for those 2 was pretty much correct weight.

that is your opinion of course. Not solid fact.

Just setting the record straight.

There is no penny.

maybe only a halfpenny!

Its a revelation? Really? FMD.

10 yrs and never inside the top 5 in the B&F. Plenty of apologists here for Col. Ooooh he didn't have a pre-season, oooh give him time.

He is your classic gun junior footballer that doesn't have a brain or work ethic. He's not alone, there are plenty of them.

I was banging on for a long time that he should be traded only to be shouted down in this place. A trade that allowed us to get Vince is a good result but we could have had a better result had we the balls to ditch him to GWS 3yrs ago.

No we were all waiting for him to have a good preseason hahhaahahaha A decent club woudnt have put up with him Show everything about the MFC over the past 10 years

There is no penny.

He lost that penny at the casino late one night last year....

57 and rising obviously not much else to discuss today.

57 and rising obviously not much else to discuss today.

This counts as a post?

Short term, perhaps. Beyond this year, Rivers would have been close to last on that list.

Fair degree of "crystal ball" there - you are assuming that Rivers is going to go backwards but also a number of footballers who havent shown much are all of a sudden going to improve and go past him.

This counts as a post?

About the same as 58

Short term, perhaps. Beyond this year, Rivers would have been close to last on that list.

Beyond this year we won't want many from that list.

I think Sylvia will be a great case study of the recruiting vs development argument.

There will be no excuses for him not to perform at Freo, given he will be playing in a very strong team and under a fantastic coach, two factors not present at Melbourne over the last seven years.

If he tears it up for them, it will show us that we have failed to extract the best out of him and not developed him well.

If however his career just ambles along with mostly mediocre performances highlighted by a few standout games, this will help to demonstrate that his time at Melbourne was not severly impacted by poor development.

Jared Rivers, was and still is a massive loss to the MFC, if you seriously think that a bloke can walk into Geelongs back line is not required at the MFC, you're loco. I would have Rivers over, Struass, Terlich, Dunn, Pedo etc any day of the week. He would still be our thrid best back man behind Chip and Garlo

Massive loss?

What would be be giving us that we miss out on?

Who else would fill that 3rd tall defender role at Geelong?

There aren't a lot of viable options. We actually have better defensive stocks overall than Geelong at this point, imho.

Who would Rivers push out of our side?

Anyway, that's debatable, but it's also a matter of when he can get on the park.

Tom McDonald is a better defender, in terms of being able to run with players and matching them for height.

He may be a dodgier kick, but Rivers was never driving attack from defence himself, only safe sideways and backwards kicks.

Nothing ever ventured, nothing gained.

Rivers also isn't capable of playing the medium sized defender roles of Strauss, Terlich... Even Dunn & Pederson is more mobile.

Just to suggest it shows you have little understanding of our backline and how it functions.

Maybe too much time in the sun in Brisbane?

For a past-it, 2nd rate 3rd tall defender, with dodgy knees in the last year of his career, who perennially failed to stand up when needed... I'm happy he is gone.

For a past-it, 2nd rate 3rd tall defender, with dodgy knees in the last year of his career, who perennially failed to stand up when needed... I'm happy he is gone.

Absolutely no idea.

What do we miss from him stuie?

Honestly, what would make him valuable to our curren list?

He'd be sitting in the 2s, or filling a space while Garland gets fit.

Georgiou can do that just as well.

57=58=66

What do we miss from him stuie?

Honestly, what would make him valuable to our curren list?

He'd be sitting in the 2s, or filling a space while Garland gets fit.

Georgiou can do that just as well.

Experience.

Garland is injured, McDonald is injured, Frawley might have a poor year like most other players who put off contracts.

Pedo = spud. Dunn = still iffy. Terlich, Strauss, Georgiou (rookie) all yet to show if they're truly up to it.

You seem to be falling into the Neeld trap of thinking "oh he won't be in our best team in 5 years so he's no good", and how did that policy work out for us?

Rivers stood up more than enough in a p@*s poor backline behind the worst midfield in modern footy. Not saying he's our best ever backman, but some of the comments about him here are so far off the mark that they seem emotional comments given he's now an opposition player, rather than rational.

Experience.

Experience is no use unless you learn from it. He never had a break-out year because although we might have forgiven his past failures, he just forgot 'em. We got more value for him than we ever got from him.

Ross Lyon is doing the same as he did to wake up Michael Walters, has the media hounding him and publically making him aware a spot in Freo's best 22 is earned and not a given.

Sylvia will be a good addition to the Freo side and by midway through the season I expect him to be firing

. You may be right but it was def a calculated gamble by freo as they obviously knew the risks. I guess they're gambling they will be able to turn him around and its only costing them money. They must figure they need some more goal kicking power. I always liked col but I have to say I'm glad another club had to worry about his commitment not us.

Experience.

Garland is injured, McDonald is injured, Frawley might have a poor year like most other players who put off contracts.

Pedo = spud. Dunn = still iffy. Terlich, Strauss, Georgiou (rookie) all yet to show if they're truly up to it.

You seem to be falling into the Neeld trap of thinking "oh he won't be in our best team in 5 years so he's no good", and how did that policy work out for us?

Rivers stood up more than enough in a p@*s poor backline behind the worst midfield in modern footy. Not saying he's our best ever backman, but some of the comments about him here are so far off the mark that they seem emotional comments given he's now an opposition player, rather than rational.

Agree 'stuie', I think he has been a good player for us. Injury didn't help his cause or ours and I think it may cut him short at Geelong, he's also starting to find it harder to get a good match up. Can't take the monsters and the 3rd tall is getting a bit quicker but yeah he was a good player at the MFC.

Experience is no use unless you learn from it. He never had a break-out year because although we might have forgiven his past failures, he just forgot 'em. We got more value for him than we ever got from him.

Ridiculous call.

Was our backline general for 10 years.

Not my favourite player (that's an understatement), but some of the judgments on his career at MFC here are absolutely idiotic.

Vince is the swap for the pick we got for Colin. Michie was secured for a low draft pick.

Thanks for correcting me on this one. I guess I looked at it simply as INTO Freo Sylvia and OUT from Freo to Melbourne Michie. I am hoping this will be good for us.

Not my favourite player (that's an understatement), but some of the judgments on his career at MFC here are absolutely idiotic.

Have to agree. Suggesting that a player like Georgiou can replace him - a man who hasn't played a single game of AFL football and is rookied! I think it is a disservice to a man who played many good games of football over a long period. Do I think he is a massive loss? Probably not but saying that he can be replaced by Struass, Terlich, Dunn, Pedo or Georgiou is highly unfair on Rivers output with the MFC and IMO poor judgement.

Have to agree. Suggesting that a player like Georgiou can replace him - a man who hasn't played a single game of AFL football and is rookied! I think it is a disservice to a man who played many good games of football over a long period. Do I think he is a massive loss? Probably not but saying that he can be replaced by Struass, Terlich, Dunn, Pedo or Georgiou is highly unfair on Rivers output with the MFC and IMO poor judgement.

Spot on nutbean particularly 1,2,4 and 5.

or half his natural ability.

Not wrong there Martin is young and a match winner on his day, Machsys completely clueless when it comes to footy .

Anyone who thinks we wouldn't be better off with Rivers still at the club doesn't understand Australian Rules Football.

A perfect third key defender. Is one of the better readers of the play with his interception of kicks. His major weakness is playing on the gorillas/Trav Clokes of the league.

Yep He'll be a gun one day that boy.

ha ha

I think that Col is the kid who was probably told by everyone that he would be a star and it seems he agree with that and thought it would come naturally.

Probably, once upon a time, they would have been right but football has changed so much, just natural football ability and a great smile isn't enough. Hard work is the key and Col just didn't do enough of that.