Lumumba trade in for Clark - somehow.

What do we then give for Frost?

Frost might be headed for the PSD if he is up for it.

Contracts mean bugger all now. The only way clubs will retain players they want is to win more games than lose.

Free Agency has kicked the door down...

Four years for Lumumba:

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/mega-trade-of-dayne-beams-mitch-clark-travis-varcoe-heritier-lumumba-and-levi-greenwood-complete-20141015-1168t3.html

Four years for Lumumba:

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/mega-trade-of-dayne-beams-mitch-clark-travis-varcoe-heritier-lumumba-and-levi-greenwood-complete-20141015-1168t3.html

FMD - was expecting 2 or 3 years tops.

Clark's terms are conspicuously absent.

I have no desire to wish ill-health or injury on any player but I geez I hope Geelong get bitten on the bum with this.

Updated. Assumed 1 year deals.

I've made countless often useless observations, but as far as I can tell, unless a contract term is clearly stated in a press release, it seems to always be a 1 year deal.

I expect that's the case with Bail, Terlich and Riley.

2017

Dunn, Hogan, Lumumba

2016

Dawes, Grimes (RFA), Watts (RFA), Michie*, Vince, Tyson*, Kent, M Jones, Spencer, McDonald, Barry, Terlich*, Jetta, Garlett, Stretch, Frost

2015

Trengove, Jamar (UFA), Garland (RFA), McKenzie, Howe, N Jones (RFA), Evans, Gawn, Fitzpatrick, Viney, Toumpas, Pedersen, Salem, Kennedy-Harris, Hunt, Cross, Bail, Riley

2014

Frawley (UFA), Tapscott, Blease, Strauss, Byrnes, Clisby, Nicholson, Harmes ®, King ®, Georgiou ®, Clark

* = Require confirmation...

List Spots Available: 0

Additions: Stretch, Garlett, Lumumba, Frost, ND2, ND3, ND40, ND53, ND83, ND93, ND111,

Actions:

Byrnes retired.

Jetta upgraded and signed till 2016.

Bail, and Riley given (assumed) 1 year deals

Terlich given two years (speculation)

Nicholson and Clisby delisted.

Frawley FA to Hawthorn for ND3.

Stretch acquired in F/S for ND40

Garlett acquired for ND61 and a swap of 5th round picks.

Clark swapped for Lumumba.

Frost, ND40, and ND53 acquired for ND23.

We will need to delist a contracted player to use ND53, and another if we are to use PSD2.

I hope we do delist one player at least, otherwise we would have not got full value in that Frost trade.

Evans, McKenzie, and Trengove would be the most vulnerable.

Four years for Lumumba:

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/mega-trade-of-dayne-beams-mitch-clark-travis-varcoe-heritier-lumumba-and-levi-greenwood-complete-20141015-1168t3.html

No wonder he was so keen to come to us not North. Bloody ridiculous.

He'll be 32 by the end of that. I significantly hope its a 3 year deal with an option for the 4th. I can only see him playing well for the first 2 years.

Actually only 31 in his last year (by a few months). Not too bad

2017

Dunn, Hogan, Lumumba

2016

Dawes, Grimes (RFA), Watts (RFA), Michie*, Vince, Tyson*, Kent, M Jones, Spencer, McDonald, Barry, Terlich*, Jetta, Garlett, Stretch, Frost

2015

Trengove, Jamar (UFA), Garland (RFA), McKenzie, Howe, N Jones (RFA), Evans, Gawn, Fitzpatrick, Viney, Toumpas, Pedersen, Salem, Kennedy-Harris, Hunt, Cross, Bail, Riley, Harmes ®,

2014

Tapscott, King ®, Georgiou ®

* = Require confirmation...

List Spots Available: 2

Deletions (7): Clark, Frawley, Byrnes, Nicholson, Clisby, Strauss, Blease

Additions (5): Jetta, Stretch, Garlett, Lumumba, Frost, ND2, ND3, ND40, ND53, ND83, ND93, ND111,

Actions:

Byrnes retired.

Jetta upgraded and signed till 2016.

Bail, and Riley given (assumed) 1 year deals

Terlich given two years (speculation)

Nicholson and Clisby delisted.

Frawley FA to Hawthorn for ND3.

Stretch acquired in F/S for ND42

Garlett acquired for ND61 and a swap of 5th round picks.

Clark swapped for Lumumba.

Frost, ND40, and ND53 acquired for ND23.

Strauss and Blease delisted.

Harmes retained on RL.

For those keen to know where the list is at ^^^^

Tappscott must be hanging by a thread.

Clearly Roos rates him higher than Blease and Strauss.

For those keen to know where the list is at ^^^^

It appears to be considerably improved.

Garlett for Byrnes.

Lumumba for however many games big Mitch manages to get on the park.

A 21 year old Frost for Frawley.

Picks 2 and 3 can only solidify the situation.

For those keen to know where the list is at ^^^^

So, as it stands, only first 2 picks in ND possible without further delistings: 7 out, 5 in.

???

(sorry, hard to keep track of ...)

Tappscott must be hanging by a thread.

Clearly Roos rates him higher than Blease and Strauss.

Why is that clear? He is going to be delisted, or we're going to pass with pick 40 in the draft. I know which is more likely, and I really doubt Roos gave Tapscott another few days on the list before throwing him on the heap with the others because he rates him higher.

It would seem we need to get rid of at least two more, otherwise the whole point of bartering for picks 40 and 53 is wasted.

We may need to invoke the devil's alternative used in the past for Newton and others.

Advise two contracted players they are delisted but that their contract will be honoured and they will be taken in the rookie draft.

The danger of this is that another club could draft them prior to our rookie picks, although with the following players, there is no chance of that happening as we are the only club that rates them and their age makes them untouchable as well.

Jordie McKenzie - I don't really see anyone wanting a 24-year-old tagger - albeit a hardworking one.

Matt Jones - Not too many 27yo's who have played just 42 games get another go.

Michael Evans - He's only 22 and given his kicking would have to do a great sales job to a WA club and if they jumped to get him, so be it.

You could easily add Rohan Bail and Dean Terlich to this list and neither is going to be snaffled.

I'm sure there's plenty of others that Demonlanders want to get rid of, but all of them would have a little bit of currency to another club.

So, as it stands, only first 2 picks in ND possible without further delistings: 7 out, 5 in.

???

(sorry, hard to keep track of ...)

That's correct. And I know it's hard to keep track of - I have made the Additions and Deletions list but before that have a simple 'list spots available.'

I have no idea why they have not pulled the trigger on Tapscott yet. They are also likely to delist Evans as he is taking the spot of ND53/DFA/PSD2 and I think we would get a better talent through those mechanisms.

Trengove and McKenzie should also be considered by the club to be delisted and placed on the Rookie List - but only if we catch a big fish in the PSD. Otherwise, it is creating heartache, simply to take a prospect at 53 or DFA.

Deespicable - you may not like Matt Jones but he will not be delisted after being re-signed for two years earlier this year.

Bit of a surprise that we had so few players traded out and only 2 (3 if Tapscott goes) primary list spots. Guess we expected to trade out a few players which didn't happen. I suspect the lack of trade-outs wasn't for lack of trying. If contracted players get delisted we will know our list management hasn't gone to plan.

BTW we can probably take an extra rookie as we are allowed 4 which I'm guessing we will do in case Jack Trengove goes onto the LTI list. So atmo we have 2/3 primary list spots plus 2 rookie spots.

2017

Dunn, Hogan,Viney, Lumumba

2016

Dawes, Grimes (RFA), Watts (RFA), Michie*, Vince, Tyson*, Kent, M Jones, Spencer, McDonald, Barry, Terlich*, Jetta, Garlett, Stretch, Frost

2015

Trengove, Jamar (UFA), Garland (RFA), McKenzie, Howe, N Jones (RFA), Evans, Gawn, Fitzpatrick, Toumpas, Pedersen, Salem, Kennedy-Harris, Hunt, Cross, Bail, Riley, Harmes ®, King ®

* = Require confirmation...

List Spots Available: 3

Deletions (8 PL, 1 RL): Clark, Frawley, Byrnes, Nicholson, Clisby, Strauss, Blease, Tapscott, Georgiou ®

Additions (Bolded have places on PL): Jetta (Upgrade), Stretch, Garlett, Lumumba, Frost, ND2, ND3, ND40, ND53, PSD2

Actions:

Byrnes retired.

Jetta upgraded and signed till 2016.

Bail, and Riley given (assumed) 1 year deals

Terlich given two years (speculation)

Nicholson and Clisby delisted.

Frawley FA to Hawthorn for ND3.

Stretch acquired in F/S for ND42

Garlett acquired for ND61 and a swap of 5th round picks.

Clark swapped for Lumumba.

Frost, ND40, and ND53 acquired for ND23.

Strauss and Blease delisted.

Harmes, King retained on RL.

Georgiou delisted form RL.

Tapscott delisted.

List at 1st Lodgement.

Edited October 31, 201410 yr by rpfc

2017

Dunn, Hogan, Viney, Lumumba

2016

Dawes, Grimes (RFA), Watts (RFA), Michie*, Vince, Tyson*, Kent, M Jones, Spencer, McDonald, Barry, Terlich*, Jetta, Garlett, Stretch, Frost, Newton

2015

Trengove, Jamar (UFA), Garland (RFA), McKenzie, Howe, N Jones (RFA), Evans, Gawn, Fitzpatrick, Toumpas, Pedersen, Salem, Kennedy-Harris, Hunt, Cross, Bail, Riley, Harmes ®, King ®

* = Require confirmation...

List Spots Available: 2

Deletions (8 PL, 1 RL): Clark, Frawley, Byrnes, Nicholson, Clisby, Strauss, Blease, Tapscott, Georgiou ®

Additions (Bolded have places on PL): Jetta (Upgrade), Stretch, Garlett, Lumumba, Frost, Newton, ND2, ND3, ND40, ND53, PSD2

Actions:

Byrnes retired.

Jetta upgraded and signed till 2016.

Bail and Riley given (assumed) 1 year deals

Terlich given two years (speculation)

Nicholson and Clisby delisted.

Frawley FA to Hawthorn for ND3.

Stretch acquired in F/S for ND42

Garlett acquired for ND61 and a swap of 5th round picks.

Clark swapped for Lumumba.

Frost, ND40, and ND53 acquired for ND23.

Strauss and Blease delisted.

Harmes, King retained on RL.

Georgiou delisted form RL.

Tapscott delisted.

Newton acquired through DFA.

Updated.

Another deletion required for ND40.

I have published this email a couple of times that was received on 28th August 2014 re: Terlich, Bail and Riley - so there should be no need for confirmation of Terlich being signed until end of 2016:

Hi "X",

Thank you for your email and support of the Club. We appreciate your feedback.

Bail and Riley have re-signed for 1 year and Terlich for 2 years.

Thank you again for your support.

Kind regards,

Georgina

Georgina Lewis - Customer Relations Officer

T: (03) 9652 1101 | melbournefc.com.au

Melbourne Football Club, Great Southern Stand, MCG, PO Box 254, East Melbourne, Vic 8002

2017

Dunn, Hogan,Viney, Lumumba

2016

Dawes, Grimes (RFA), Watts (RFA), Michie*, Vince, Tyson*, Kent, M Jones, Spencer, McDonald, Terlich*, Jetta, Garlett, Stretch, Frost, Newton

2015

Trengove, Jamar (UFA), Garland (RFA), McKenzie, Howe, N Jones (RFA), Evans, Gawn, Fitzpatrick, Toumpas, Pedersen, Salem, Kennedy-Harris, Hunt, Cross, Bail, Riley, Harmes ®, King ®

* = Require confirmation...

List Spots Available: 3 PL, 2 RL

Deletions (9 PL, 1 RL): Clark, Frawley, Byrnes, Nicholson, Clisby, Strauss, Blease, Tapscott, Georgiou ®, Barry

Additions (Bolded have places on PL): Jetta (Upgrade), Stretch, Garlett, Lumumba, Frost, Newton, ND2, ND3, ND40, ND53, PSD2, RD2, RD20

Actions:

Byrnes retired.

Jetta upgraded and signed till 2016.

Bail, and Riley given (assumed) 1 year deals

Terlich given two years (speculation)

Nicholson and Clisby delisted.

Frawley FA to Hawthorn for ND3.

Stretch acquired in F/S for ND42

Garlett acquired for ND61 and a swap of 5th round picks.

Clark swapped for Lumumba.

Frost, ND40, and ND53 acquired for ND23.

Strauss and Blease delisted.

Harmes, King retained on RL.

Georgiou delisted form RL.

Tapscott delisted.

Ben Newton acquired through DFA.

Barry retires from AFL.

Updated.

6 players confirmed onto the PL, another 5 to come (3 PL, 2 RL) in the next few months.

Roos has seen 18 changes to the PL over his short tenure: Hogan, Salem, Tyson, Cross, Michie, Vince, JKH, Riley, and Hunt in 2014 and Jetta, Lumumba, Garlett, Frost, Newton, Stretch, ND2, ND3, and ND40 to come in 2015.

That's a 45% change in two years for those that wanted a bit of change. Next year might see that jump to 60-65% such is the state of the list...

2017

Dunn, Hogan,Viney, Lumumba

2016

Dawes, Grimes (RFA), Watts (RFA), Michie*, Vince, Tyson*, Kent, M Jones, Spencer, McDonald, Terlich*, Jetta, Garlett, Stretch, Frost, Newton

2015

Trengove, Jamar (UFA), Garland (RFA), McKenzie, Howe, N Jones (RFA), Gawn, Fitzpatrick, Toumpas, Pedersen, Salem, Kennedy-Harris, Hunt, Cross, Bail, Riley, Harmes ®, King ®

* = Require confirmation...

List Spots Available: 4 PL, 2 RL

Deletions (10 PL, 1 RL): Clark, Frawley, Byrnes, Nicholson, Clisby, Strauss, Blease, Tapscott, Georgiou ®, Barry, Evans

Additions (Bolded have places on PL): Jetta (Upgrade), Stretch, Garlett, Lumumba, Frost, Newton, ND2, ND3, ND40, ND53, PSD2, RD2, RD20

Actions:

Byrnes retired.

Jetta upgraded and signed till 2016.

Bail, and Riley given (assumed) 1 year deals

Terlich given two years (speculation)

Nicholson and Clisby delisted.

Frawley FA to Hawthorn for ND3.

Stretch acquired in F/S for ND42

Garlett acquired for ND61 and a swap of 5th round picks.

Clark swapped for Lumumba.

Frost, ND40, and ND53 acquired for ND23.

Strauss and Blease delisted.

Harmes, King retained on RL.

Georgiou delisted form RL.

Tapscott delisted.

Ben Newton acquired through DFA.

Barry retires from AFL.

Evans delisted and paid out for 2015.

And Evans delisting brings ND53 into play.

Suddenly the Frost trade becomes an interesting point of reference for Melbourne fans for the few years...

Or does the club have another DFA lined up?

Edited November 13, 201410 yr by rpfc

2017

Dunn, Hogan,Viney, Lumumba

2016

Dawes, Grimes (RFA), Watts (RFA), Michie*, Vince, Tyson*, Kent, M Jones, Spencer, T McDonald, Terlich*, Jetta, Garlett, Stretch, Frost, Newton, Petracca, Brayshaw, Neal-Bullen, O McDonald

2015

Trengove, Jamar (UFA), Garland (RFA), McKenzie, Howe, N Jones (RFA), Gawn, Fitzpatrick, Toumpas, Pedersen, Salem, Kennedy-Harris, Hunt, Cross, Bail, Riley, Harmes ®, King ®

* = Require confirmation...

List Spots Available: 0 PL, 2 RL

Deletions (10 PL, 1 RL): Clark, Frawley, Byrnes, Nicholson, Clisby, Strauss, Blease, Tapscott, Georgiou ®, Barry, Evans

Additions (Bolded have places on PL): Jetta (Upgrade), Stretch, Garlett, Lumumba, Frost, Newton, Petracca, Brayshaw, Neal-Bullen, O McDonald, PSD2, RD2, RD20

Actions:

Byrnes retired.

Jetta upgraded and signed till 2016.

Bail, and Riley given (assumed) 1 year deals

Terlich given two years (speculation)

Nicholson and Clisby delisted.

Frawley FA to Hawthorn for ND3.

Stretch acquired in F/S for ND42

Garlett acquired for ND61 and a swap of 5th round picks.

Clark swapped for Lumumba.

Frost, ND40, and ND53 acquired for ND23.

Strauss and Blease delisted.

Harmes, King retained on RL.

Georgiou delisted form RL.

Tapscott delisted.

Ben Newton acquired through DFA.

Barry retires from AFL.

Evans delisted and paid out for 2015.

Petracca, Brayshaw, Neal-Bullen, and O McDonald added at the ND.

Updated.

I appreciate all your efforts in this thread RPFC.

Some interesting names are out of contract at years end - Trengove, Bail, Riley, McKenzie and Cross (His experience this year is invaluable as our young mids get some games this year, a role similar to what Byrnes has could await next year).

I have a suggestion which you may or may not like, having the players age next to their name. It would only need to be updated once a year. Knowing a players age and length of contract is something I think would be of interest to readers of the thread.

Cheers

I appreciate all your efforts in this thread RPFC.

Some interesting names are out of contract at years end - Trengove, Bail, Riley, McKenzie and Cross (His experience this year is invaluable as our young mids get some games this year, a role similar to what Byrnes has could await next year).

I have a suggestion which you may or may not like, having the players age next to their name. It would only need to be updated once a year. Knowing a players age and length of contract is something I think would be of interest to readers of the thread.

Cheers

I will pop it in the next iteration.

Appreciate that mate.