As much as I hate Essendon, can the competition afford to have one of it's powerhouses on it's knees ?

yes the comp will survive.

The demons can take their place. The VFL survived 2 world wars it can survived a seriously wounded Essenlude.

They get no sympathy from me..

Don't go soft on Windy Hill cripes!!

Err pretty sure there's already a thread on this...

This one has an even better title though!

Who knows what he meant. He's not a bad bloke but there's an ingrown arrogance with these pr##ks. I've got to say, I've always hated them well above all other teams since 2000...and that includes Pies and Blues.

Couldn't wait for him to get to work today. Nor could about 10 others. Release the Melbourne findings now!

What time?

On tomorrow night (thursday). Obviously about essendon but it will be Caro v Lloyd. Im assuming he will front up for the first show. If only Grant Thomas was there as well.

Im assuming Hutchy wont be there as he is in the states but Damo will probably fill in which will make it more interesting.

Anyway not sure if we will be spoken about or not.

hmmmn Thomas, another media rebel who has mysteriously, disappeared... quietly, at end of contract, vlad...

I can't wait for 2022, to hear all the truth out there, when these guys art all fully retired.

If Lloyd is on then it certainly will be "special"

As much as I hate Essendon, can the competition afford to have one of it's powerhouses on it's knees ?

can the competition afford to continue to be dishonest. on drugs & supplements. & with teams bending rules to cling to the competativeness of the spoilt clubs...

the AFL has contributed to & constructed the mess by hiding the truth.

What time?

9:30

can the competition afford to continue to be dishonest. on drugs & supplements. & with teams bending rules to cling to the competativeness of the spoilt clubs...

the AFL has contributed to & constructed the mess by hiding the truth.

Perhaps the "Integrity Inquisitors" or whatever they are called need to get a mirror and look at the AFL first?

The fish rots from the head!!!

Who knows what he meant. He's not a bad bloke but there's an ingrown arrogance with these pr##ks. I've got to say, I've always hated them well above all other teams since 2000...and that includes Pies and Blues.

Couldn't wait for him to get to work today. Nor could about 10 others. Release the Melbourne findings now!

don't let up on him tomorrow..!

can the competition afford to continue to be dishonest. on drugs & supplements. & with teams bending rules to cling to the competativeness of the spoilt clubs...

the AFL has contributed to & constructed the mess by hiding the truth.

SPOT ON DL

NAILED IT.

G Lyon v Wilson.

Stuff Lloyd.

G Lyon v Wilson.

Stuff Lloyd.

Hope G Lyon puts her on her ass in the first (segment).

Actually ASADA can test any AFL player 365 days of the year. They have access both off season and during season. Page 10 of the brochure lays out some of the highlights of their testing regime. Also the AFL publish the results every year, not in great detail, mind you, but numbers tested and number of positive results found by ASADA.

My understanding is they would only test for performance enhancing drugs out of competition and all drugs in competition but the AFL in conjunction with the players have an agreement to test for all drugs out of competition.

The substance is NOT prohibited under the WADA code unless it’s used in a certain way (known as an intravenous infusion). I don't think anyone is alleging we have illegally administered the substance to our players - it’s definitely allowed to be injected, subject to certain limitations on the amount and the frequency of the injections. Based on what I've been told, I think we can ignore all the "injecting room scandal" stories.

The problem is that although it’s not banned by WADA, it’s illegal to import, manufacture or purchase this substance in Australia. As such, I think the feeling is that the players may be safe, but the investigation centres on the fact that someone at the club (and I think I have an idea who) may be in some serious trouble for possessing and administering the substance to our players here in Australia. I’m pretty sure this is where the whole “criminal drug gang” angle to this story has come from.

Even if true, it's still a fairly large camel to be threading through the eye of a fairly small needle. Not much room in that story to get it wrong.

Increasing discussion around Bovine Colostrum, which I have to confess, until today I'd never even given a moment's thought to. Plenty of info on it out on the net if anyone's interested, but is in that "grey" area where it's not technically illegal in itself, though it contains an illegal substance (IGF-1).

And ... freely available online at places like Amazon.

On the other hand, I for one am showing my ignorance and perhaps naivety, in the discovery that players in the AFL are having injections of calf's blood etc. etc. as part of routine supplement intake. So much for the old ice bath and protein shake after a workout, seems that even that application of sports science is now both old hat and insufficient.

Hope G Lyon puts her on her ass in the first (segment).

we could only hope for an OX push from Gary to Caro!, he would win the gold logie for that performance!

Mark McVeigh spoke a lot of sense on SEN, as with the "tanking" allegations, there's a lot of information we don't know and the media are certainly beating the story up.

My gut feeling is they will be cleared because of the borderline nature of the charges and the drugs involved.

My gut feeling is they will be cleared because of the borderline nature of the charges and the drugs involved.

Jeez you're going early Robbie. The waterboarding hasn't even started.