Thanks DemonsWA

Still a bit of a mystery, though

I wonder how Customs knew that Bombers were implicated

Dank.

The laws for ASAD/WADA are actually different.

You don't actually need a positive test to get banned or even 100% evidence. ASADA/WADA can hand out bans if they have enough circumstantial evidence. It's how they got Armstrong.

Of course Essendon can then take it to court. But the burden of proof is actually different to say a criminal case where it has to be beyond reasonable doubt.

No, the law is not different, TD. The law is the law.

WADA's code provides ASADA with a burden of proof. It can't lay a charge unless it has met this burden (i.e. it has enough evidence, circumstantial or otherwise, to show there was an infraction at a standard greater than the balance of probabilities).

Charging a player simply because they were a part of a group of players to whom some substances were administered, without being able to say who took what specifically, does not meet this burden.

The burden is on ASADA. They can't charge a player unless they have enough evidence. It's their job, not the player's.

Didnt Kyle Remiers go to the media?

I think it was Danks they were watching

Agreed you can throw in "Dr Ageless too".

Charter & Dank are names that keep popping up.

Didnt Karl Remiers go to the media?

Kyle Remiers did say somthing on the footy show or whatever about the consent forms, but if you belive the ACC they had been tracking the path of all the banned substances that had been passing though Customs and they were alarmed about the amount that were seemingly ending up at Elite sporting clubs, thus the blackest day in australian sport press conference

Didnt Kyle Remiers go to the media?

no,kyle was the first player out of the club when the news broke

was interviewed and told his side of story

but its not true/spike mcviegh is the only person that knows the truth

no,kyle was the first player out of the club when the news broke

was interviewed and told his side of story

but its not true/spike mcviegh is the only person that knows the truth

I clearly remember him saying.

"We only had vitamin injections".

Better to look like a fool than open your mouth and prove it beyond doubt Spike.

I clearly remember him saying.

"We only had vitamin injections".

Better to look like a fool than open your mouth and prove it beyond doubt Spike.

and his next statement was "well im waiting for asada to tell me what was put into meself actually

spike sleeps under golden balls car so nobody can put a bomb there

during daylight hours he goes to albert road primary school,hes trying to catch up to timmys educational level

Something of an oxymoron is Spike for he's none too Sharp !!...maybe hes just a plain moron then.

Thanks for the clarification. So in reality the penalties now dealing with failures of Governance are additional to anything coming from WADA/ASADA.

Yes, assuming ASADA has something to say in the final version of the report which is an inevitability.

Spike is going to have a rude shock imo. I wonder if he will believe what ASADA actually tell him??

He is also a very dull commentator on SEN btw.

Something of an oxymoron is Spike for he's none too Sharp !!...maybe hes just a plain moron then.

sharp as a 2 dollar hooker is our spike

but hirdy and jobe are right ok youse all hear dat ok oh and the old codger doc whatisname too

the deadline that wasn't

I still think the Doc will find himself in a spot of bother !!

the deadline that wasn't

tisnt 5 yet

tisnt 5 yet

i thought it was 4pm

i thought it was 4pm

what you thought 4 was 5 ?? or 5 was 4 ?? lol

wouldn't it be fantastic if they all come out smiling and agreeing to everything

and then on the late news ,man arrested with video tapes of every syringe and quote by hirdy

police turn over tapes to WADA

what you thought 4 was 5 ?? or 5 was 4 ?? lol

both, of course

A selection of letters from today’s Age:

Lifetime bans for those found to be guilty

The Essendon ''drug blitz'' has been a disaster. Those responsible must be dealt with severely, with lifetime banishment from all sporting codes. They have negligently exposed many of our finest young men to numerous unknown and potentially life-altering and threatening complications of biologic agents. Already deleterious psychological effects are evident in players and their loved ones, but physical effects in the coming decades may be worse. These may include male infertility and teratogenic and developmental defects in their offspring.

Health professionals found to have been involved must be deregistered by the Australian Health Practitioner Regulation Agency. The AFL must inflict lifetime bans on all the ''masterminds'' at Windy Hill and expel the club for five years.

Only then can the integrity of our beloved game be restored.

Dr Peter Lazzari, physician, Vermont South

Hird's right to be heard

In principle, I support the concept of the AFL making and enforcing its own rules, with appropriate protocols to ensure natural justice and probity. However, I was dismayed by the statement of support against my club by the presidents of the other 17 clubs (Sport, 23/8).

While I do not excuse all of what has transpired, I believe that James Hird and Essendon are justified in defending themselves from a seriously flawed process of investigation by ASADA and the AFL. I exhort the presidents to work with the AFL commissioners to bring about improvements to the system to ensure such a debacle never occurs again.

Keith Richards, Buronga, NSW

Time to cut the coach loose

James Hird has played, worked and lived under the AFL regulatory system for many years without questioning its validity. Now that he is being asked to be accountable for his actions and accept the consequences, he takes them to court. Essendon, get rid of Hird and then you can start to recover (having first accepted your sanctions).

Lois Gaskin, Cowes

Hypocrisy of many footy fans

Every week we expect players to endure the smashing and bashing of bodies. Not many games reach the final siren without one or several suffering significant injuries. In light of this, consider Essendon's motive in providing supplements. It was to protect and help players recover from the ravages of the games and arduous training, not compromise their health. I have no doubt Hird believed it would help his men. Meanwhile, fans who have condemned the supplements program will watch more games next weekend and not bat an eyelid when yet another injured player is carried off.

Fiona Evans, Bells Beach

vlad just ordered

32 steamed dim sims

12 garlic prawns

1 seafood platter take away

10 iced vovos

1 slab light beer

its gonna be a long one

Hird's right to be heard

In principle, I support the concept of the AFL making and enforcing its own rules, with appropriate protocols to ensure natural justice and probity. However, I was dismayed by the statement of support against my club by the presidents of the other 17 clubs (Sport, 23/8).

While I do not excuse all of what has transpired, I believe that James Hird and Essendon are justified in defending themselves from a seriously flawed process of investigation by ASADA and the AFL. I exhort the presidents to work with the AFL commissioners to bring about improvements to the system to ensure such a debacle never occurs again.

Keith Richards, Buronga, NSW

I didnt know Keith Richards lived in Australia.

Learn something new every day!

I didnt know Keith Richards lived in Australia.

Learn something new every day!

Of course. I should have made the connection given the subject matter.

I didnt know Keith Richards lived in Australia.

Learn something new every day!

I'm not sure Keith Richards is actually "alive" anywhere.

He's running on muscle memory.

vlad just ordered

32 steamed dim sims

12 garlic prawns

1 seafood platter take away

10 iced vovos

1 slab light beer

its gonna be a long one

10 iced Vo Vo's. bloody hell!! That is a dead give away.

Day 3??