Yeah but he's had at least 2 completely decent preseasons since. I don't expect him to be elite but he's barely up to scratch. There's also to fact that he's pretty ordinary at winning any of his own ball as well which is just as damning.

Don't get me wrong, I completely agree that he is far below a pass mark, I just think there are legit reasons for it unlike other players. I still believe his AFL career is absolutely in the balance - if he doesn't lift very soon he could be trade bait or no longer required. I do hope he gets there though.

WYL, I used to appreciate your posts, your passion, even your insight, but you've turned into a directionless ranter.

Have to agree. I like WYL's passion, but the way he's carrying on here you'd think Trengove switched jumpers at half time.

If Sylvia, Grimes and Trengove attacked the ball like Viney does we would win more games than we lose, that kids an animal, has to get a rising star nom this week,

Don't get me wrong, I completely agree that he is far below a pass mark, I just think there are legit reasons for it unlike other players. I still believe his AFL career is absolutely in the balance - if he doesn't lift very soon he could be trade bait or no longer required. I do hope he gets there though.

I think this is a stance few are game to exude. I dont particularly disagree.

Whilst there may well be a myriad of reasonable excuses for his form they in the end are just that, excuses. Please dont readers return fire with "reasons' for there is no 'reason" in this stance. If he is fit , he takes the critique , if he is not, then he ought not be playing this level for it over taxes him without really providing bang for buck.

He did , I repeat play an OK game but not one of his real ability.

If he is such dire need of an uninterupted preseason then maybe he ought to be running around the less arduous Scorps until hes ready to step up to he proper level

If Sylvia, Grimes and Trengove attacked the ball like Viney does we would win more games than we lose, that kids an animal, has to get a rising star nom this week,

Exactly.

Supporters have been belted around the head by this club for so long so that there expectations are clouded by the ordinary.

WYL, you are so far out of reality it's laughable.

Your conceptions of what should or shouldn't happen in this world beggar belief.

Trengove should be kicking 2-3 goals per quarter, and if he doesn't, he's not a leader? Insanity.

We 'should' have beaten Brisbane? No. Geelong 'should' have beaten Adelaide. We 'could' have beaten Brisbane. Could. Not should. Because we're the second-worst side in the competition. That's just what we are.

I haven't seen the whole game, but from what I've seen, it was another sign of improvement. We won the clearances, and were competitive in inside 50s, tackles and contested possessions. We also went a player down in the third, which hurt our rotations, a killer in Darwin.

People on here need to accept where we are and the amount of change that is capable of being achieved through a season with a sub-standard list. The pre-season is where we're going to need to see improvement, but we're actually doing quite well to pick ourselves up off the rock bottom we hit with Neeld.

WYL, you are so far out of reality it's laughable.

Your conceptions of what should or shouldn't happen in this world beggar belief.

Trengove should be kicking 2-3 goals per quarter, and if he doesn't, he's not a leader? Insanity.

We 'should' have beaten Brisbane? No. Geelong 'should' have beaten Adelaide. We 'could' have beaten Brisbane. Could. Not should. Because we're the second-worst side in the competition. That's just what we are.

I haven't seen the whole game, but from what I've seen, it was another sign of improvement. We won the clearances, and were competitive in inside 50s, tackles and contested possessions. We also went a player down in the third, which hurt our rotations, a killer in Darwin.

People on here need to accept where we are and the amount of change that is capable of being achieved through a season with a sub-standard list. The pre-season is where we're going to need to see improvement, but we're actually doing quite well to pick ourselves up off the rock bottom we hit with Neeld.

I think trenners is doing alright, not great but he is in our best 22 for a few reasons,

Next years coach with a bit more experience will be able to identify better the strengths of the players, and build a game plan from scratch that plays to the overall strength of the core group, i think this was Neeld's biggest fault, we aren't Collingwood, that plan won them a flag but we are 40+ totally different blokes, trying to find our feet, i think a more geelong like style suits us better,

all things considered we did about what most would have hoped and expected against the Lions, would have been nice to win, but they are probably a better side in a few ways and deserved the result.

After watching the geelong game today, and seeing them slow and very ungeelong like in the last qtr. I wondered if the game last week in the very wet and heavy conditions affected them? They had one more day to recover and wernt a rotation down as MFC was.

Did we fade in the last qtr in part as a result of last weeks game?

Just a question that had me wondering after watching geelong!

Also, Dean Terlich needs to learn that he's not superman. He continually tries to run through tackles and gets caught. Nathan Jones used to be like that, but has improved, and Terlich needs to take a leaf out of his book.

He also needs to tighten up defensively, it seems his opponents are kicking a few goals against him.

Also, Dean Terlich needs to learn that he's not superman. He continually tries to run through tackles and gets caught. Nathan Jones used to be like that, but has improved, and Terlich needs to take a leaf out of his book.

He also needs to tighten up defensively, it seems his opponents are kicking a few goals against him.

Yeah totally agree, will be a very good quality player if he is able to do that, but i still think he has the capacity to become a good mid if the club chooses to go down that path

After watching the geelong game today, and seeing them slow and very ungeelong like in the last qtr. I wondered if the game last week in the very wet and heavy conditions affected them? They had one more day to recover and wernt a rotation down as MFC was.

Did we fade in the last qtr in part as a result of last weeks game?

Just a question that had me wondering after watching geelong!

You can see when Geelong go off the boil, it's in their defence. They seem to lose interest and start making mistakes, this started to happen in the 3rd q with Harry Taylor in particular. I thought if Adelaide started to get results from their good play all day then Geelong could go down.

Was it last weeks game? I doubt it, we couldn't apply enough pressure for it to be a hard day at the office for them.

We also went a player down in the third

arguably our best player at that

Geez I wish I had .000001% of Trengoves ability instead of my excellent key boarding skills.

Lets all take a deep breath and let Trengove have a FULL preseason under a coach who CAN COACH.

Also, Dean Terlich needs to learn that he's not superman. He continually tries to run through tackles and gets caught. Nathan Jones used to be like that, but has improved, and Terlich needs to take a leaf out of his book.

He also needs to tighten up defensively, it seems his opponents are kicking a few goals against him.

What!? Yes, Nathan Jones used to get trashed on here for that. I always said that he must have his own backing and his coaches backing to work on that, by improving his strength and evasive abilities. Lo and behold years later he is very good in this area NOT BECAUSE HE STOPPED DOING IT but because he got BETTER at it. I would like to see Terlich continue to back himself and ultimately become like Jones who can brush off/barge through tackles or earn a free in the process. In the meantime there will be frees against him but it is worth it in the long run

Geez I wish I had .000001% of Trengoves ability instead of my excellent key boarding skills.

Lets all take a deep breath and let Trengove have a FULL preseason under a coach who CAN COACH.

I agree, he has lost that zip and isn't the same player, the captaincy i think was a mistake, Garland might be a better option and Viney in a few years after that, but IF he gets a full pre season and still lacks the ability to impact games, it'll start to get very concerning, he is getting his 20 touches and tackling well, but if he can add 5-10 touches a game to that he will be a fair player, he averaged 14 in his first 6 games back and now averages 20 so maybe by seasons end 25 a game would be a good aim?

WYL, you are so far out of reality it's laughable.

Your conceptions of what should or shouldn't happen in this world beggar belief.

Trengove should be kicking 2-3 goals per quarter, and if he doesn't, he's not a leader? Insanity.

We 'should' have beaten Brisbane? No. Geelong 'should' have beaten Adelaide. We 'could' have beaten Brisbane. Could. Not should. Because we're the second-worst side in the competition. That's just what we are.

I haven't seen the whole game, but from what I've seen, it was another sign of improvement. We won the clearances, and were competitive in inside 50s, tackles and contested possessions. We also went a player down in the third, which hurt our rotations, a killer in Darwin.

People on here need to accept where we are and the amount of change that is capable of being achieved through a season with a sub-standard list. The pre-season is where we're going to need to see improvement, but we're actually doing quite well to pick ourselves up off the rock bottom we hit with Neeld.

i don't expect Trenners to kick 2-3 each quarter. That is laughable to even consider.

But when has he EVER done it.

As a Captain he has to lead.

When has he lifted the side since the sling tackle?

I agree, he has lost that zip and isn't the same player, the captaincy i think was a mistake,

yes as we all know that when you become captain your speed decreases. Neeld should have thought of that.

yes as we all know that when you become captain your speed decreases. Neeld should have thought of that.

Neeld was never more than an assistant coach punching above his weight, but there is clearly an issue of some sort that has caused the loss of zip

WYL, you are so far out of reality it's laughable.

Your conceptions of what should or shouldn't happen in this world beggar belief.

Trengove should be kicking 2-3 goals per quarter, and if he doesn't, he's not a leader? Insanity.

We 'should' have beaten Brisbane? No. Geelong 'should' have beaten Adelaide. We 'could' have beaten Brisbane. Could. Not should. Because we're the second-worst side in the competition. That's just what we are.

I haven't seen the whole game, but from what I've seen, it was another sign of improvement. We won the clearances, and were competitive in inside 50s, tackles and contested possessions. We also went a player down in the third, which hurt our rotations, a killer in Darwin.

People on here need to accept where we are and the amount of change that is capable of being achieved through a season with a sub-standard list. The pre-season is where we're going to need to see improvement, but we're actually doing quite well to pick ourselves up off the rock bottom we hit with Neeld.

Titan, I don't often agree with you - but, IMO you are spot on this time.

We met my expectations of improvement last night.

We are coming from behind GWS.

As long as they keep improving, wins will come.

What!? Yes, Nathan Jones used to get trashed on here for that. I always said that he must have his own backing and his coaches backing to work on that, by improving his strength and evasive abilities. Lo and behold years later he is very good in this area NOT BECAUSE HE STOPPED DOING IT but because he got BETTER at it. I would like to see Terlich continue to back himself and ultimately become like Jones who can brush off/barge through tackles or earn a free in the process. In the meantime there will be frees against him but it is worth it in the long run

It's not about shelving the idea of taking the game on altogether. It's about learning when to try to break the tackle and when to give the ball off. Jones has learnt this, Terlich needs to.

i don't expect Trenners to kick 2-3 each quarter. That is laughable to even consider.

But when has he EVER done it.

As a Captain he has to lead.

When has he lifted the side since the sling tackle?

That time he laid 12 tackles in a match?

You know, last night?

That time he laid 12 tackles in a match?

You know, last night?

Glad you were entertained.

I always find it funny watching people fall over themselves to be 'the one' demanding more than others. Being around a club, you see it every now and then.

We are bad, and we all want to be good.

But you know what comes in between those two realities?

Gradual improvement.

Couldn't care less if you don't see it when it happens, but just know that you are dismissing progress and dismissing reality.

Former means you're a jerk, and the latter means you're psychotic.

I will leave it up to the individual which is worse.

Glad you were entertained.

That is kinda the point though isn't it?

there are alot of forms of leadership, Trenners is captain of a struggling team and a team that at times this year has lacked effort, he sets an example with effort, he works bloody hard and tackles very well, i would consider that a measure of on field leadership

Glad you were entertained.

You really are a joke, WYL.

I haven't seen the whole game, but from what I've seen, it was another sign of improvement. We won the clearances, and were competitive in inside 50s, tackles and contested possessions. We also went a player down in the third, which hurt our rotations, a killer in Darwin.

People on here need to accept where we are and the amount of change that is capable of being achieved through a season with a sub-standard list.

I don't want to see 'improvement'. I don't want 'positives'. I want WINS.

That means I want blood! I want people sacked and players delisted and the perpetrators called to account. I want Presidents and board members to resign, coaches to go and captains demoted.

I WANT SOMETHING BLOODY WELL DONE!

There, that feels better.