Yarran is a spud..

Not keen on Yarran. Comments about him going missing for large periods are spot on, and god knows we have enough of those already.

His best is brilliant, but his worst..

Catch 22. Rarely will you find a player with skill and class who is consistent on the trade table.

Yarran is a talent and we can get him below market value and we must back our football department to extract his best.

MFC's development has been siht but the second we lose faith we can develop talent, we might as well give up.

The amount of excuses you have made for our very own players lack of development etc over the years is astounding. What a contradiction.

Quotes please.

2nd round will be pick 20. Maybe slightly high but Carlton will want something good for Yarran like MFC would for Watts.

Yarran + Carlton's 2nd round pick (pick 28) for Fitzy, MFC second (20) and third pick (40).

I believe our 2nd round pick will probably be 18 or 19 and our third 35 or 36. Adelaide are out for two rounds and Ess may not be in this draft at all.

Edit, there's a comp pick activated somewhere as well.

Don't post a lot but read nearly every day - so please no troll vitriol. The intent of the post is discussion.

Currently we have Watts supposedly being heavily courted by Malthouse & the blues.

We have a team that is in desperate need of midfield talent.

I am also of the opinion that you have to give something to get something.

So would you be for a trade that might look like this?

Melbourne: Watts, Fitzpatrick & pick 20

Blues: Gibbs, Yarran

My feeling is that Gibbs has had another just year & probably will never be the midfield gun that the Blues wanted. He would however be another B+ mid in a good age bracket that would contribute immediately to Jones & Viney.

Yarran for all his flaws still has a huge upside and could either be used as a running defender or small forward both positions we desperately need talent.

Admittedly we lose two significant key forwards but with Dawes, Hogan, Clark we have depth. We may also then select Boyd if we get the PP.

Pick 20 in addition to Watts and Fitzy seems overs to me, but I'm sure a Carlton supporter would disagree.

They'd be significant gets for Carlton. I think we could do better than that deal. Maybe a later pick if it really needs a sweetener.

Pick 20 in addition to Watts and Fitzy seems overs to me, but I'm sure a Carlton supporter would disagree.

They'd be significant gets for Carlton. I think we could do better than that deal. Maybe a later pick if it really needs a sweetener.

pick 20, watts and fitzy for Gibbs and pick 9 and maybe a 3rd rounder?

Don't post a lot but read nearly every day - so please no troll vitriol. The intent of the post is discussion.

Currently we have Watts supposedly being heavily courted by Malthouse & the blues.

We have a team that is in desperate need of midfield talent.

I am also of the opinion that you have to give something to get something.

So would you be for a trade that might look like this?

Melbourne: Watts, Fitzpatrick & pick 20

Blues: Gibbs, Yarran

My feeling is that Gibbs has had another just year & probably will never be the midfield gun that the Blues wanted. He would however be another B+ mid in a good age bracket that would contribute immediately to Jones & Viney.

Yarran for all his flaws still has a huge upside and could either be used as a running defender or small forward both positions we desperately need talent.

Admittedly we lose two significant key forwards but with Dawes, Hogan, Clark we have depth. We may also then select Boyd if we get the PP.

That's way too much IMO. It's too heavily in their favour.

And whilst we have some good talls, I don't think it'd be particularly wise to trade Watts AND Fitzpatrick.

pick 20, watts and fitzy for Gibbs and pick 9 and maybe a 3rd rounder?

Getting closer. I'd rest easier with Gibbs and a top 10 midfielder when giving up Watts and Fitz.

Well you're very short sighted if that's the case.

Chris Yarran has more football talent then the majority of our list squeezed in one.

He is an A grade skilled footballer, pure bread and as it happens, only this year has his form dropped and there's been speculation about his relationship with Mick and hence his future and what do you know, posters like you bob up and say that he can't change, when in fact there is nothing to change. He is just in need of some inspiration and more development in a couple of areas.

The amount of excuses you have made for our very own players lack of development etc over the years is astounding. What a contradiction.

Yarran's positive attributes far outweigh his negative ones presently and this is while he is having one bad year. Haha. Wow.

Talk about shortsighted.

'steve', I don't think he has had a real breakout year. He's had breakout patches, it looked like they found the best use for him off HB until opposition coaches found that he couldn't play one on one. He's a no for me unless we pick him up cheap.

In a lot of ways he's an unfulfilled talent like Watts, butI think Watts has more upside with his versatility.

Getting closer. I'd rest easier with Gibbs and a top 10 midfielder when giving up Watts and Fitz.

Melbourne won't give up Watts and Fitz for sure. They probably won't hand over either imho. Yarran and Gibbs are worth something, but Carlton's predicament is that they are trading smalls. Unless elite, you get a second round pick at best.

You go after a tall from another team, you pay overs. Big time!

It's surprising nobody has picked this up. But, the draft picks are way too prized in most people's eyes. Think of how long it took to develop Fitz and Watts's strength, fitness and size to be competitive at AFL level. 4 years. You want to start again with a promising kid from the draft? Both Watts and Fitz have their best footy in front of them, not behind them. The same can't be said about Yarran and Gibbs. I'd argue both are going backwards because they rely on pace.

Carlton, keep Yarran and Gibbs. We'll hang onto our draft picks and tall's and we'll see you on the ground next year with the most dangerous forward line in the league... (Dawes, Clark, Hogan, Watts, Fitzy back up). We'll see how much blood your mosquito forward line can spill.

I'd rather we draft dayle garlett than even look twice at Yarren to be honest

couple of young blokes we have on our list who did alright in the VFL also, Blease and Barry

Carlton wont want Fitzpatrick - they've got too many like him already. They need true KPF and/or KPB (if Henderson plays forward)

Quotes please.

That's the response of someone who is guilty but will not admit to it. I've had many disagreements with you over the years about certain players who I have had a shot at (sometimes unfairly, sometimes not) and you have defended them for development reasons. I'm not going digging for quotes.

Out of interest, do you think Jack Watts will ever improve the areas of his game that are holding him back as a player? How about others on our list?

Why do you believe Yarran is too far gone? Is it because he plays for another club? A club in which you have no bias toward?

C'mon pal. The guy has a sublime set of skills, and as rjay has alluded to below, he almost has the same weaknesses as Watts to work on.

There would be people out there in the football world who could develop and address the two ingredients that these two are missing.

Work ethic and playing with a sense of urgency and intensity. If we are going to poach and employ the 'best' people to take this club forward from here on in, (which is what PJ consistently tells us) I would have no problems in trading for Yarran.

'steve', I don't think he has had a real breakout year. He's had breakout patches, it looked like they found the best use for him off HB until opposition coaches found that he couldn't play one on one. He's a no for me unless we pick him up cheap.

In a lot of ways he's an unfulfilled talent like Watts, butI think Watts has more upside with his versatility.

That's the response of someone who is guilty but will not admit to it. I've had many disagreements with you over the years about certain players who I have had a shot at (sometimes unfairly, sometimes not) and you have defended them for development reasons. I'm not going digging for quotes.

Out of interest, do you think Jack Watts will ever improve the areas of his game that are holding him back as a player? How about others on our list?

Why do you believe Yarran is too far gone? Is it because he plays for another club? A club in which you have no bias toward?

C'mon pal. The guy has a sublime set of skills, and as rjay has alluded to below, he almost has the same weaknesses as Watts to work on.

There would be people out there in the football world who could develop and address the two ingredients that these two are missing.

Work ethic and playing with a sense of urgency and intensity. If we are going to poach and employ the 'best' people to take this club forward from here on in, (which is what PJ consistently tells us) I would have no problems in trading for Yarran.

So in response, you duck the issue and blame nasher.

At least the status quo is being maintained.

That's the response of someone who is guilty but will not admit to it. I've had many disagreements with you over the years about certain players who I have had a shot at (sometimes unfairly, sometimes not) and you have defended them for development reasons. I'm not going digging for quotes.

Out of interest, do you think Jack Watts will ever improve the areas of his game that are holding him back as a player? How about others on our list?

Why do you believe Yarran is too far gone? Is it because he plays for another club? A club in which you have no bias toward?

C'mon pal. The guy has a sublime set of skills, and as rjay has alluded to below, he almost has the same weaknesses as Watts to work on.

There would be people out there in the football world who could develop and address the two ingredients that these two are missing.

Work ethic and playing with a sense of urgency and intensity. If we are going to poach and employ the 'best' people to take this club forward from here on in, (which is what PJ consistently tells us) I would have no problems in trading for Yarran.

Haha, Sublime skills…..

Yarran turns the ball over monotonously, don’t be sucked in by his occasional brilliance.

So in response, you duck the issue and blame nasher.

At least the status quo is being maintained.

I didn't know sidekicks existed on forums until you bobbed up.

Do you follow every post I make if it is directed to one of your forum buddies?

Knick-off mate.

Haha, Sublime skills…..

Yarran turns the ball over monotonously, don’t be sucked in by his occasional brilliance.

I would argue that 95 % of the football world would say Yarran possesses sublime skills, yep.

I don't know what you smoke.

I would argue that 95 % of the football world would say Yarran possesses sublime skills, yep.

I don't know what you smoke.

He turns the ball over Steve, yep.

He turns the ball over Steve, yep.

Is that really your argument? Because he turns the ball over?

Gary Ablett turns the ball over, does that mean he doesn't possess sublime skills?

Please stop.

That's the response of someone who is guilty but will not admit to it. I've had many disagreements with you over the years about certain players who I have had a shot at (sometimes unfairly, sometimes not) and you have defended them for development reasons. I'm not going digging for quotes.

At risk of being Ben-Huresque, you are boring me, and the people whose opinion I care about can see who is clearly creating strawmen in this thread and who isn't. It's not up to me to defend myself against your accusations, it's up to you to prove them.

I'm not going to bother engaging with you any further.

At risk of being Ben-Huresque, you are boring me, and the people whose opinion I care about can see who is clearly creating strawmen in this thread and who isn't. It's not up to me to defend myself against your accusations, it's up to you to prove them.

I'm not going to bother engaging with you any further.

You don't have to defend yourself. I know how you roll.

Why don't you just answer the second part of my post? I asked whether or not you think Jack Watts is capable of changing his ways in order to reach his true potential?

If you do believe he is capable, why would Yarran not be?

Yarran doesn't run hard, nor does he work for the team. Has talent, but so did Lawrence Angwin, Andrew Lovett etc.

He has less application than Watts ..... and also less talent.

Also, steve, I think you overestimate yourself. But, unlike Nasher, I actually find your meltdowns perversely amusing.

Watts has better foot skills, a better mark, a bigger frame and FAR more potential upside than Yarran.

Plus he is arguably our most marketable player.... kids love him.

A swap for Yarran would be a terrible decision.

Yarran doesn't run hard, nor does he work for the team. Has talent, but so did Lawrence Angwin, Andrew Lovett etc. He has less application than Watts ..... and also less talent. Also, steve, I think you overestimate yourself. But, unlike Nasher, I actually find your meltdowns perversely amusing.

If it makes you feel high and mighty, by all means continue to provoke.

I'm not interested in belittling you. It seems Nasher has his supporters.

All I'll say is this. If Yarran was on our list, people would judge him a lot less harshly.

Watts doesn't run hard or work for the team either. Y'all are so biased it's ridiculous.

It's like Dawkins arguing with a creationist.