WTF has he got against coming to the Demon's anyway?

Young punks calling the shots nowadays like they've been in the game for ten years.

I think it's a fair call.

It's no different to a businessmen wanting to work at the best firm possible.

Seems the news has died off a bit.. I have an irky feeling we will keep pick 2 and use it in the draft.

Seems the news has died off a bit.. I have an irky feeling we will keep pick 2 and use it in the draft.

And pick up Aish?

Win win... or so it should be but we have a knack for buggering something

If he wants to break a contract so badly GWS will tell him he can only go to the club with the best offer. Pick 2 will probably be the best offer, they can then work out how to on trade the damn thing for some mature players.

I think they may just say "NO" to show the other players you just can't walk out. They may not get as good an offer if he does go later but the statement to the rest of the list is strong.

I think it's a fair call.

It's no different to a businessmen wanting to work at the best firm possible.

It's vastly different.

It's all about getting some runs on the board in an organisation. Some employees' want to do the hard yards to make a difference to a struggling project whereas other shiny-arses move to the cream-jobs for instant gratification.

The competition is full of shiny-arses.

Or they may make an example of him, by trading him to MFC as opposed to his desired destination...

I actually really want to trade pick 2 for Shiel. Not only is he powerfully built for contested ball winning capabilities, but can also win the ball and be damaging on the outside, explosive runner and can take the game on whilst kicking goals. Having to pick up one of Aish or Kelly will be another young player that will take a while to develop, where as Shiel I believe even though he is still young will have an immediate impact within our midfield.

We all do, it's universal.

IMO It would be a steal.

Or they may make an example of him, by trading him to MFC as opposed to his desired destination...

Then he'll have a decision to make won't he. He can go to MFC or stay at GWS, it would be his choice.

He may well stay until he's uncontracted an then try again.

I think they may just say "NO" to show the other players you just can't walk out. They may not get as good an offer if he does go later but the statement to the rest of the list is strong.

Actually it could go the other way, they need more kids to sign.

More kids would sign for the GWS if they didn't believe that they'd be 100% locked in to stay there.

If Shiel wants to come home, they'll let him.

I actually really want to trade pick 2 for Shiel. Not only is he powerfully built for contested ball winning capabilities, but can also win the ball and be damaging on the outside, explosive runner and can take the game on whilst kicking goals. Having to pick up one of Aish or Kelly will be another young player that will take a while to develop, where as Shiel I believe even though he is still young will have an immediate impact within our midfield.

+1.

At this rate it doesn't look like we will be getting anyone.. Carlton are now really interested in Cross.. Seriously.. What happened to the "Roos will make the Dees a much more attractive place to go". Everyone is just snubbing us. It's pissing me off.

Carlton are trying to make it look like they are interested in everyone to get good deals.

They won't take both Chapman and Cross.

They want Brisbane and Hawthorn to know they're interested in both Docherty & Savage, but may only trade for one.

Competition = better result for Carlton. In theory.

They are covering their bases and I wouldn't believe any of the rumours of preferred destinations.

It's more likely than not Carlton people using their contacts to spread rumours, in an effort to influence the process.

Relax. Once things start moving, either we'll be in front, or we'll be able to see where the holes are.

+1.

At this rate it doesn't look like we will be getting anyone.. Carlton are now really interested in Cross.. Seriously.. What happened to the "Roos will make the Dees a much more attractive place to go". Everyone is just snubbing us. It's pissing me off.

Just for you we will go out and give our picks away for players that aren't worth it. It will make you happy because we have a trade. There is no point trading for the sake of trading, the club isn't going to trade if it can't get the right deals. We forget two years ago we got Clark, last year Dawes along with a deal that saw us get Hogan, Barry and Jack Viney for a second round pick.

If we can't get the right players in a deal that works for all parties I'm happy to go to the draft with pick 2, 20, 21, 39 and so on. If we don't get a deal this year we work hard for next and hope that under Roos our current players stay fit and improve.

We still have 16 days of the trade period to go, just calm down don't believe everything you hear or read, relax and assess our clubs trading performance in 16 days.

The only way I see this working out is if Shaw ends up going to Geelong and GWS see Scharenberg as their half back general (I see guys like Plowman and Davis as keys rather than organisers) and would pick him up at 2. Even with Adams leaving I don't think they'd be losing out too much with another mid going - they have heaps of them.

Personally I think he'd be a good get, but we'll be waiting right to near the end of the trade period before any movement.

Just for you we will go out and give our picks away for players that aren't worth it. It will make you happy because we have a trade. There is no point trading for the sake of trading, the club isn't going to trade if it can't get the right deals. We forget two years ago we got Clark, last year Dawes along with a deal that saw us get Hogan, Barry and Jack Viney for a second round pick.

If we can't get the right players in a deal that works for all parties I'm happy to go to the draft with pick 2, 20, 21, 39 and so on. If we don't get a deal this year we work hard for next and hope that under Roos our current players stay fit and improve.

We still have 16 days of the trade period to go, just calm down don't believe everything you hear or read, relax and assess our clubs trading performance in 16 days.

I dont mind if we don't get trades done.. It would be just nice to hear that players are interested in coming. And Roosy is supposed to have 'that effect' .. But so far, every single player we've shown interest in.. Including Dylan Shiel. Have snubbed us. Its just frustrating.

Agreed, I won't be super disappointed if we go to the draft with 2 but I'll leave it up to the people in the know to decide who to draft as I have NFI

me to, I haven't followed it at all over the last 2 years, no U-18's games.. & this year I'm not even reading phantom drafts or any other information. just demonland. thats more than enough.

I think they may just say "NO" to show the other players you just can't walk out. They may not get as good an offer if he does go later but the statement to the rest of the list is strong.

or they may just hold him to try to persuade him next year with plenty of wins.. al la the Suns & Prestia

I dont mind if we don't get trades done.. It would be just nice to hear that players are interested in coming. And Roosy is supposed to have 'that effect' .. But so far, every single player we've shown interest in.. Including Dylan Shiel. Have snubbed us. Its just frustrating.

Have they? Or has the media portrayed it like that?

And their managers are publicly claiming that, because if a trade doesn't get done and they stay, they don't want their client to become public enemy number 1 for the supporters?

Alternatively, aren't we aiming for absolute gun players with pick 2?

Ones that are presumably happy at their existing clubs?

I mean, we're trying to pry a young kid out of a system they have now settled into.

They are resilient and they are of good character, otherwise we wouldn't be targeting them.

Those very traits make their first instinct not to run away when it gets hard, but to dig in.

So should be surprised that its difficult to pry them away?

Think about it.

or they may just hold him to try to persuade him next year with plenty of wins.. al la the Suns & Prestia

Horribly digressive, but I can't wait until Prestia is OOC again. Go hard demons. The next Brad Sewell, but more dynamic.

I don't think Shiel ever said no to us I believe GWS came out and said he was a required player and would not be trading him

GWS are playing hard ball, and who can blame them

the guy is a jet, they have developed him for two years and he is their hardest midfielder on a team devoid of hard bodies

WOuidnt surprise me if we had to give up more than pick 2

+1.

At this rate it doesn't look like we will be getting anyone.. Carlton are now really interested in Cross.. Seriously.. What happened to the "Roos will make the Dees a much more attractive place to go". Everyone is just snubbing us. It's pissing me off.

oh ye of little faith...

If Giles leaves as has been rumoured, ide give up pick 2 and one of Jamar/Spencer for Shiel.

If Giles leaves as has been rumoured, ide give up pick 2 and one of Jamar/Spencer for Shiel.

id want a middish first rounder back then...otherwise id buy that.

If Giles leaves as has been rumoured, ide give up pick 2 and one of Jamar/Spencer for Shiel.

They'd probably just laugh in our face. If they get Mumford, I don't think they'll be wanting a struggling ruck man as well. If they don't get Mumford, they still won't want a poor quality ruck man.

We have much more of a chance with just pick 2.

Probably . But doesn't hurt to try