I thought Jack Trengove had a horrible 2012 and the pessimist in me thought we may have fluffed another high draft selection.

But he is starting to work himself into some nice form after a long layoff.

A superb captain's goal in the last quarter. Doesn't look that important with hindsight but he had to kick that goal and it went gun-barrell straight.

Well done Jack.

Someone said in the game thread he looked slow like in 2012, but i dont think thats acxurate as he looks to have dropped some weight and is looking more agile and has found a yard of pace

and thank christ for that

His decision making stood out today. Under pressure, he does the right things.

He is still a way off but definitely better today and is showing upward trajectory in form which is heartening.

Someone said in the game thread he looked slow like in 2012, but i dont think thats acxurate as he looks to have dropped some weight and is looking more agile and has found a yard of pace

and thank christ for that

i wouldn't exactly say he is quick

Lenny Hayes and Joel Selwood aren't quick, but they can be explosive in short burts (one or two steps or with a handpass in close), Trengove doesn't have that.

He is getting better no doubt but everything he does (even the way he talks) is slow.

10 tackles, 22 touches and a captains goal

good form on the field to back up the way he has presented himself to the media recently

super impressed.

Lenny Hayes and Joel Selwood aren't quick, but they can be explosive in short burts (one or two steps or with a handpass in close), Trengove doesn't have that.

He is getting better no doubt but everything he does (even the way he talks) is slow.

I think you mark him harshly. His hands in close can be lightning.

Think Hayes has little in the way of burst speed. Rarely see him burst away from congestion. It's strength and lateral movement that get him out of trouble.

Trengove, fitness wise, would be a long way behind the rest of the team. He could hardly train from December till the season started. He needed a few more games at Casey before coming into the team. Sadly, a 70-80% fir Trengove is better than most on our list

Think Hayes has little in the way of burst speed. Rarely see him burst away from congestion. It's strength and lateral movement that get him out of trouble.

I'm talking over very short distances (which is all it takes). As you correctly point out Hayes has good lateral movement, but that further backs up my point in that he can have a little burst sideways (one or two steps), Trengove does very little in bursts.

JT will come good, he is underdone.

I think JT does a lot of great work that doesnt necessarily receive the praise it should. He was good again today. I watched him quite closely. I think the majority of the times he is made to look slow is from direct stoppages, where an opposition player will burst by him. He will be flat footed. I still believe it's more about how we set up defensively across the ground and particularly at a stoppage. I cannot believe Neeld and Royal have not rectified this in the four matches thus far. Worrying. More so that they haven't seem to have identified our woeful set ups.

Anyone see the tackle count today. Check it out before bagging trengove.

10 tackles, 22 touches and a captains goal

good form on the field to back up the way he has presented himself to the media recently

super impressed.

he didn't have a big preseason - still playing like a champ.

he didn't have a big preseason - still playing like a champ.

He is everything Melbourne football club needs to go forward, trains as hard as anyone, great leader, super talented and happy to not get the big stats and play his role,

today just showed how important he really is to this club.

It's an improvement from JT.

No great game by any measure, considering he probably had half his touches in the first quarter.

He went missing with the rest of our side for too long.

Considering Trengove is coming from a long way back, he was servicable today.

I've said before I thought a year or two in the leadership group would've helped Trengove settle in to the role. His unnecessary pushing and shoving still irks me, and I wish he'd focus on the ball and the team. By appointing him so young, he missed out on the opportunity to play under and learn from an experienced captain. Perhaps the club could provide some footage of Robert Flower for him to study.

But having said that, he does present well, and I can see the improvement in his performance. I hope the improvement contimues, but I suspect it will take a couple of years for him to grow into the role of captain.

Much better than Scully.

Much better than Scully.

maybe not today but I'm sure when their teams turn it around they'll both be guns. Trengove will never be fast and scully never a great kick.

It's scary that GWS have shiel, Greene, treloar, Whitfield and more.

In 5 years time some of the worst defenders or forwards in the Afl will be AA due to getting crazy midfield coverage

I listened and watched all you bag him and stayed quiet.

The kid is a star and has shown that already.

What a leader he is and a freakin gun. Watch him destroy from now on

His bombs in the forward can be a concern, but good work today!!

He is on the up curve and will get better and better.

I listened and watched all you bag him and stayed quiet.

The kid is a star and has shown that already.

What a leader he is and a freakin gun. Watch him destroy from now on

When you are picked at number 2 and have shown you can play,

then taper off for a couple of years, you'll get critisized.

I wouldn't read too much into fans bagging Trengove, in my opinion it is more out of frustration

because they know he is better than he shows us.

Same reason everyone is so frustrated with Jack Watts at the moment, because he has all the tools and has shown good games,

but for the most of it he is insipid... Being a high draft pick will never help if you don't deliver, that is the reality of it.

This man is a quality footballer and a best of all, a quality individual.

Actually today he had 22 touches - in 2012 his season high was 21. Encouraging signs - although I'd like to see him push the late 20s, early 30s once he's back to peak fitness.