I think it's more attitude and desire than drinking.

If the guy, as reported, thought he saw better than the coaching dept and also refused to run a time trial because of the heat, it's a pretty clear indication he's not going to maximise his potential, whatever it may be.

I saw something in him, some serious skill, but if he doesn't have the attitude and desire to capitalise on it, then he's wasting everyone's time.

Glad he has been moved on.

If every player who had a poor game had their career ended there wouldn't be many players left...

It wasn't just that one game. He was probably in the red zone due to a number of issues. But he had a chance to change their minds in that game, and he missed his chance.

And sometimes one bad game can be the deciding factor. Shades of Morton against Collingwood last year.

Was Jordan Gysberts @ MFC training on Friday WTF.

I think it's more attitude and desire than drinking.

If the guy, as reported, thought he saw better than the coaching dept and also refused to run a time trial because of the heat, it's a pretty clear indication he's not going to maximise his potential, whatever it may be.

I saw something in him, some serious skill, but if he doesn't have the attitude and desire to capitalise on it, then he's wasting everyone's time.

Glad he has been moved on.

Surely that's not true?

Any update on how Couch is progressing? I just don't see him getting a game this year, but that could be a pretty harsh view to take.

Clearly the club kept him for a reason and, given they axed some more skilled players and generally took a fairly ruthless approach to the list, they must see some upside to him.

Interesting to hear from anyone who's observed him at training.

Any update on how Couch is progressing? I just don't see him getting a game this year, but that could be a pretty harsh view to take.

Clearly the club kept him for a reason and, given they axed some more skilled players and generally took a fairly ruthless approach to the list, they must see some upside to him.

Interesting to hear from anyone who's observed him at training.

Just what I've been thinking. He's hardly rated a mention in the training threads so far.

I reckon Magner might have an even tougher battle to break into the team this year as well.

With M Jones, Rodan and Viney now on the list, the rookies will really have to work hard to get a look in this year.

Interesting, with so many new faces at the club this year, we supporters all seem to have a variety of views on who will get games and how many in season 2013. Quite a shake up. I personally wouldn't have thought Byrnes or Rodan or Pedo would get that many, and the late draft pick guys could be anyone's guess. It's going to be great watching the year unfold. I hope 2012 will be left long behind.

Interesting, with so many new faces at the club this year, we supporters all seem to have a variety of views on who will get games and how many in season 2013. Quite a shake up. I personally wouldn't have thought Byrnes or Rodan or Pedo would get that many, and the late draft pick guys could be anyone's guess. It's going to be great watching the year unfold. I hope 2012 will be left long behind.

I think Rodan barring injury, will play a lot this year. He could nearly be the specialist sub. If Pederson reproduces the "you tube game" form, he will play a lot as well.

Competition for spots.

GOOD.

I think Rodan barring injury, will play a lot this year. He could nearly be the specialist sub. If Pederson reproduces the "you tube game" form, he will play a lot as well.

I don't think he will be sub very often.

I just don't think it is worth having a player that is designated a third of the season. And I think he is more important than that.

I don't think he will be sub very often.

I just don't think it is worth having a player that is designated a third of the season. And I think he is more important than that.

Think I said Rodan would play a lot this year.

Think I said Rodan would play a lot this year.

Well he won't if he is the specialist sub...

Was Jordan Gysberts @ MFC training on Friday WTF.

Didn't even show up.

Disgraceful attitude.

Didn't even show up.

Disgraceful attitude.

Biffo you do not have all the facts. He was at a power lifting comp.

Biffo you do not have all the facts. He was at a power lifting comp.

with a side tute on being a team player.

Think I said Rodan would play a lot this year.

Sorry Redleg but the thread has gone off topic. I agree. If he retains fitness he will play midfield/ forward. I think he will earn a game in his own right but a bit of muscle and experience wil be good for Viney and Toumpass. We don't want that embarrassing ( no disgraceful) experience of young players being monstered (like Jack Watts was) in his first game.

I had dinner with a couple of Carlton supporters who, when they weren't bitching about Juddie's hamstring injury, told me they were very impressed with our potential forward lineup and its marking power. They were really upset that they didn't go after Dawes. I felt quite good about that.

Didn't even show up.

Disgraceful attitude.

Biffo you do not have all the facts. He was at a power lifting comp.

Interesting, with so many new faces at the club this year, we supporters all seem to have a variety of views on who will get games and how many in season 2013. Quite a shake up. I personally wouldn't have thought Byrnes or Rodan or Pedo would get that many, and the late draft pick guys could be anyone's guess. It's going to be great watching the year unfold. I hope 2012 will be left long behind.

Its been said by somone else on anther thread??? but the structure and players last year was notably unsuccessful so major change is needed. The new players have a head start as they have obviously been carefully targetted to fill the deficiencies I expect Pederson Dawes Byrnes and Rodan etc to get plenty of games. If they dont it can only be good as it means the standards of those from last year will have been raised. Perhaps that is even starting at training where the enthusiasm of Viney and Barry is always mentioned. It appears to have rubbed off on many others. I too think its going to be great year to watch. As KEV says "Im excited"

Is there training on today? Where? Anyone going?