On 19/02/2013 at 01:00, iv said:

No

OK. I wasn't asking you, but I'm glad you've taken the time to answer, unlike the poster who was asked. I don't think many would agree with you, but that matters little.

A question for you. If Connolly, or Bailey don't fight the sanctions what will your view be then ?

Jesus! Seriously?!

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/stynes-not-tarnished-by-tanking-widow-says-20130219-2eoed.html

The one certainty is that the AFL will have negotiated (Bullied) and outcome with each party.

There will be blanket acceptance & powder puff welts on wrists.

  On 19/02/2013 at 01:00, dee-luded said:

I remembered you were supporting Fans B-Bobs views of wanting to accept the sanctions & handover our people to the executioner.

A bit dramatic i would have thought. The executioner?

To be clear i believe we are not guilty of tanking (it is important to note that we have not been charged with tanking btw). Despite this i also support what the club is doing and working out a negotiated settlement. The two positions are not mutually exclusive.

As i have said there are no winners going to court and despite the fact we would have a great case we simply do not need the associated cost, distraction and drama. Nor do we need to make an enemy of the AFL (for starters imagine our draw next year if we get in a stoush with them - lots of interstate travel i would think).

I think the AFL will make it clear the club has been found not guilty of the charges (and that there is no evidence of tanking ie players trying to lose) but that key personnel (perhaps working on their own initiative and certainly without support from the club) encouraged some practices that sit outside normal list management practices. The fine will relate to the club not reigning that in. I suspect the fine will be $500 k with half suspended.

If we end up without next years draft being compromised that will be a huge, huge win. We will have a top 5 pick to go with Hogan who will be cherry ripe. That works for me.'And obviously for the club as clearly they have been working on a negotiated settlement.

But lets see. If the wording isn't spot on and the penalties end up being more severe that has been suggested then sure, going to court should be considered, but only as a last option.

  On 19/02/2013 at 01:16, timmy said:

Jesus! Seriously?!

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/stynes-not-tarnished-by-tanking-widow-says-20130219-2eoed.html

Seriously what? I don't find anything shocking about that, unless you're saying you're shocked Sam has to stand up for Jim to the media, and if that's your point then I'm with you on that.

  On 19/02/2013 at 01:16, timmy said:

Jesus! Seriously?!

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/stynes-not-tarnished-by-tanking-widow-says-20130219-2eoed.html

I heard her interview on 3AW and she handled things well. But it's certainly going to be a questioned that is asked.

At 2pm today the AFL will hold a press conference where they will leak the results of their 7 month inquisition into the MFC to the public

  On 19/02/2013 at 01:19, stuie said:

Seriously what? I don't find anything shocking about that, unless you're saying you're shocked Sam has to stand up for Jim to the media, and if that's your point then I'm with you on that.

Yup that's what I meant...The media are now asking the wife of our dead president on whether a shambles of an investigation will tarnish his reputation as a person. FFS

  On 19/02/2013 at 01:23, timmy said:

Yup that's what I meant...The media are now asking the wife of our dead president on whether a shambles of an investigation will tarnish his reputation as a person. FFS

Then I'm with you on that.

Man i will be pi$$ed off if dees cave in again, we are a gutless club!!! No investigation into any other club, we are the dogs of this league. How long can we stand getting kicked in the guts? How long can i stand it actually!!!

And whats with all the punishments being leaked way before the announcement, its a fricken joke!!!

WE SUCK!!!

The fine will relate to the club not reigning that in. I suspect the fine will be $500 k with half suspended. (Binman)

And the AFL will align such transgression with which rule?

  On 19/02/2013 at 01:29, Pitty said:

Man i will be pi$$ed off if dees cave in again, we are a gutless club!!! No investigation into any other club, we are the dogs of this league. How long can we stand getting kicked in the guts? How long can i stand it actually!!!

And whats with all the punishments being leaked way before the announcement, its a fricken joke!!!

WE SUCK!!!

Why even bother to say that when it appears you already decided we will cave anyway?

Too flippin' right mate. They'll wonder what's struck 'em.

Whatever transpires today will not affect my support for the MFC. If we cop a fine then I will trust that the board have well and truly judged it to be worth not pursuing complete exoneration any further.

In my conversations with friends and supporters of other clubs, it is widely accepted that the MFC is a scapegoat and that many other clubs have manipulated their seasons in order to gain a higher draft pick and ultimately the PP. It grinds my gears no end that we are taking the brunt of this farcical issue that was spawned by the AFL itself but the sooner it's concluded and removed from media circles normal routine will resume and the H&A season will be upon us.

We have a new footy club.

Let's show the competition and the DH's at AFL headquarters that the MFC is on the rise by playing hard-ball on the field rather than in the court rooms.

  On 19/02/2013 at 01:12, Ben-Hur said:

OK. I wasn't asking you, but I'm glad you've taken the time to answer, unlike the poster who was asked. I don't think many would agree with you, but that matters little.

A question for you. If Connolly, or Bailey don't fight the sanctions what will your view be then ?

Sorry Mate...Didn't realise you were waiting for my reply......Had computer probs and a few things to do today........We did what other clubs have been doing for 20 years.....So no we didn't tank.....

  On 19/02/2013 at 01:39, Bossdog said:

Sorry Mate...Didn't realise you were waiting for my reply......Had computer probs and a few things to do today........We did what other clubs have been doing for 20 years.....So no we didn't tank.....

I didn't ask you whether we "tanked".

My question to you is did the club deliberately try and lose any matches in 2009 ?

  On 19/02/2013 at 01:19, binman said:

A bit dramatic i would have thought. The executioner?

To be clear i believe we are not guilty of tanking (it is important to note that we have not been charged with tanking btw). Despite this i also support what the club is doing and working out a negotiated settlement. The two positions are not mutually exclusive.

As i have said there are no winners going to court and despite the fact we would have a great case we simply do not need the associated cost, distraction and drama. Nor do we need to make an enemy of the AFL (for starters imagine our draw next year if we get in a stoush with them - lots of interstate travel i would think).

I think the AFL will make it clear the club has been found not guilty of the charges (and that there is no evidence of tanking ie players trying to lose) but that key personnel (perhaps working on their own initiative and certainly without support from the club) encouraged some practices that sit outside normal list management practices. The fine will relate to the club not reigning that in. I suspect the fine will be $500 k with half suspended.

If we end up without next years draft being compromised that will be a huge, huge win. We will have a top 5 pick to go with Hogan who will be cherry ripe. That works for me.'And obviously for the club as clearly they have been working on a negotiated settlement.

But lets see. If the wording isn't spot on and the penalties end up being more severe that has been suggested then sure, going to court should be considered, but only as a last option.

Everything is relative, & as far as hard draws are concerned it would harden us up.

those who can learn to overcome hardship, make the best warriors.

the possible imbalance of draws, would be a temp thing.

When we start to play great footy they will be no choice but to play us on the big stage.

Its time we flagged to the footy world, we have arrived & will no longer be the fallguy of the AFL & their pets.

Fight it, & take them to task publicly.

If they charge our friends, we should back them to the Hilt on their decisions. If they want to fight we should back them.

  On 19/02/2013 at 01:43, Ben-Hur said:

I didn't ask you whether we "tanked".

My question to you is did the club deliberately try and lose any matches in 2009 ?

FFS BH, can you stop asking everyone the same question over and over. You don't even care what other people's opinions are anyway!

  On 19/02/2013 at 01:12, Ben-Hur said:

OK. I wasn't asking you, but I'm glad you've taken the time to answer, unlike the poster who was asked. I don't think many would agree with you, but that matters little.

A question for you. If Connolly, or Bailey don't fight the sanctions what will your view be then ?

My view would be on what legal basis, would you prosecute such a case?

  On 19/02/2013 at 01:43, Ben-Hur said:

I didn't ask you whether we "tanked".

My question to you is did the club deliberately try and lose any matches in 2009 ?

It's impossible for anyone to say without definitively knowing the motivations of the club and individuals.

  On 19/02/2013 at 01:43, Ben-Hur said:

I didn't ask you whether we "tanked".

My question to you is did the club deliberately try and lose any matches in 2009 ?

What's the difference?????......I don't think we could afford to win,given the rules in place at the time........I just want to be treated with the same govenence as the rest of the competion......

  On 19/02/2013 at 01:39, McQueen said:

Whatever transpires today will not affect my support for the MFC. If we cop a fine then I will trust that the board have well and truly judged it to be worth not pursuing complete exoneration any further.

In my conversations with friends and supporters of other clubs, it is widely accepted that the MFC is a scapegoat and that many other clubs have manipulated their seasons in order to gain a higher draft pick and ultimately the PP. It grinds my gears no end that we are taking the brunt of this farcical issue that was spawned by the AFL itself but the sooner it's concluded and removed from media circles normal routine will resume and the H&A season will be upon us.

We have a new footy club.

Let's show the competition and the DH's at AFL headquarters that the MFC is on the rise by playing hard-ball on the field rather than in the court rooms.

Great post, i agree

but to get in the mood

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBTEpDQJhfE

No turning the other cheek like a coward

Come tomorrow I may lay down and die

But not this day, this day we fight!

This day we fight!

What i cannot work out is...If Bailey is suspended from the game who was our head coach, this implicates he was part of match fixing.

This must jepordize our gaming licences at the two club venues.

If anybody can assure me those licences are going to be ok i will feel a lot easier.

Otherwise we just have to fight this....

  On 19/02/2013 at 01:55, why you little said:

What i cannot work out is...If Bailey is suspended from the game who was our head coach, this implicates he was part of match fixing.

This must jepordize our gaming licences at the two club venues.

If anybody can assure me those licences are going to be ok i will feel a lot easier.

Otherwise we just have to fight this....

Thats my only concern, if we lose those licences were finished.

  On 19/02/2013 at 01:55, why you little said:

What i cannot work out is...If Bailey is suspended from the game who was our head coach, this implicates he was part of match fixing.

This must jepordize our gaming licences at the two club venues.

If anybody can assure me those licences are going to be ok i will feel a lot easier.

Otherwise we just have to fight this....

Surely if the outcome has been negotiated we will not be named as match fixers and will keep those licenses. If we are then it could be a fight we have to win.