Image over substance

[Guest José Mourinho]

So Swan is a train wreck?

Good-let that simmer over the year.

Why do bogans want to go to the polo?That is the most disturbing thing.

Is it better to be drunk at 10pm or still charging at 4am?

Seems so wholesome to be at the cricket drinking beer on Boxing day now doesn't it?

A lot of AFL footballers there.

It's basically a beautiful people convention.

Very few actually watching what goes on onfield, moreso the catwalks.

Saw Rance and Cotchin, Brock poncing about on his own, Franlin, Guerra & Birchall clowning about tackling each other on the grass after the polo finished.

But the ugly duckling was in a stupor. Methinks tranquilizers of some sort.

Really quite sad to witness.

I'd be worried about the guy's welfare.

[Dee Fan 3,247]

the club has to do a range of marketing initiatives as outlined above in order to satisfy sponsors supporters and grow their brand in a competeive market. this is made incredibly more difficult when on and off field trou les are so bad.

the Andrews report highlights the joke in all of this and that is the players responsibily and performance. our club 'leaders' have performed abysmally in the past 3 yrs. from training habits to on field accountability. truly disgraceful. for them to stating their unease withe operations of the club shows that the lunatics were runni g the asylum.

thank God for Neeld. dont know whether he can coach or not but his ruthlessness about player expectations and elite habits isa breath of fresh air and desperately needed by our club. we wont die wondering under him and i am thrilled we appear to be finally developing a work ethic that is what we expect of professional athletes.

It was almost as if the players were doing us a favour by staying with the club and in certain circumstances holding us to ransom every contract renewal time.

We appear to have a harder edge now an if we can get the results on the field then the rest will flow, albeit with some hard work.

[Guest]

the club has to do a range of marketing initiatives as outlined above in order to satisfy sponsors supporters and grow their brand in a competeive market. this is made incredibly more difficult when on and off field trou les are so bad.

the Andrews report highlights the joke in all of this and that is the players responsibily and performance. our club 'leaders' have performed abysmally in the past 3 yrs. from training habits to on field accountability. truly disgraceful. for them to stating their unease withe operations of the club shows that the lunatics were runni g the asylum.

thank God for Neeld. dont know whether he can coach or not but his ruthlessness about player expectations and elite habits isa breath of fresh air and desperately needed by our club. we wont die wondering under him and i am thrilled we appear to be finally developing a work ethic that is what we expect of professional athletes.

I am not in the ADC camp where the admin. was totally to blame for what happened. The playing group was soft, lazy, easily satisfied and fully in control of the on field agenda.

I just don't like the fact that we have to keep talking about times when we were still using the pound, color TV had yet to be introduced, the National Party was called the Country Party and the White Australia policy still applied. We have started to recruit strongly and have some players now you would go to the footy to watch as you know they will give 100% each and every time (i.e. Mitch Clark, Nate Jones, Jack Grimes). With first and forever, we have started to incorporate them more but we still see stuff like the bugler, blazers etc. Why don't we start scrapping that and start moving in another direction?

[DemonDave 1,089]

Seems a lot of people claim to have read the Andrews Report and making comment on it here, did the club release it via PDF and I not get it? Or are people making things up?

As for the historical emphasis of our club of late I love it! We are the oldest club, have 12 premierships and were the power club there for a while. Why not celebrate it?
Should we just write it all off and prance around like the newest hooker on the block a-la GWS and Gold Coast saying how wondeful we are going to be in 5 years time?
Hawthorn still refer to themselves via their glory era in the Eighties, the Swans ethos is driven by 'the Bloods'. Plenty of clubs have been casting a retrospective rather than introspective eye back into their history of late, Richmond having their captains wear Jack Dyers number etc etc.

[Guest]

Seems a lot of people claim to have read the Andrews Report and making comment on it here, did the club release it via PDF and I not get it? Or are people making things up?

As for the historical emphasis of our club of late I love it! We are the oldest club, have 12 premierships and were the power club there for a while. Why not celebrate it?

Should we just write it all off and prance around like the newest hooker on the block a-la GWS and Gold Coast saying how wondeful we are going to be in 5 years time?

Hawthorn still refer to themselves via their glory era in the Eighties, the Swans ethos is driven by 'the Bloods'. Plenty of clubs have been casting a retrospective rather than introspective eye back into their history of late, Richmond having their captains wear Jack Dyers number etc etc.

While I don't agree with you, thank you for actually sticking to the topic and giving an opinion based on a coherent line of thought.

[Carlos Danger 380]

The only things I care about when it comes to Melbourne are 1) winning games, 2) having a good jumper, and 3) being called the Demons. Anything else is completely uninteresting to me.

Any day of the week I'd take a premiership over those 3.

[old dee 23,791]

Any day of the week I'd take a premiership over those 3.

It is difficult to achieve a GF win without item (1)

[Chook 15,013]

It is difficult to achieve a GF win without item (1)

And if you win one without 2 and 3, the win will mean so much less.

[Bitter but optimistic 22,241]

I like the notion of "image over substance". I've been living off it for for years.

[Biffen 12,943]

I like the notion of "image over substance". I've been living off it for for years.

People have based careers on less.

In politics ,the arts ,footy ,even pop music.

[Bitter but optimistic 22,241]

People have based careers on less.

In politics ,the arts ,footy ,even pop music.

Stuie's comments? No. No. Didn't mean that. Withdraw.

[Carlos Danger 380]

It is difficult to achieve a GF win without item (1)

"Winning games" on a list of "only things I care about" with no mention of finals or premierships is merely winning games.

It comes across as a complacent attitude that could be prevalent at a club that hasn't won a flag since '64. Like premierships aren't even part of the thinking anymore, just winning games is enough to make people happy.

As a member I'm bloody hungry for a premiership and I hate to think there are supporters here less hungry for it than supporters of clubs that have won flags in the past few years.

Along with the Dogs and Saints, we should be the hungriest!