Beams signs for 3 ... Cloke edges closer to Dees?

[Hardnut 327]

What did Buckley say on the news?

Sorry WYL, but I only caught it on the way through - I got the jist, but not the full story - wait for another news service.

[Sir Why You Little 36,744]

Sorry WYL, but I only caught it on the way through - I got the jist, but not the full story - wait for another news service.

I am o/s so if you hear the quotes, pass them on.

[Hardnut 327]

No, Collingwood offered him what you want to offer him (your "MFC terms") - he might end up taking that at Colingwood but you'll HAVE to offer him more to move - therefore you've effectively said you don't want him

No old55, he may have asked for too much at Collingwood, especially if they are now being squeezed in the salary cap, and hence we need to be careful in what we may offer him, if we do. IMO, he's starting to look like someone who's been caught out wanting too much.

[Sir Why You Little 36,744]

No old55, he may have asked for too much at Collingwood, especially if they are now being squeezed in the salary cap, and hence we need to be careful in what we may offer him, if we do. IMO, he's starting to look like someone who's been caught out wanting too much.

The market will determine what Travis is worth. Not him. But for him to move our offer must be attractive. Those long goals in last years GF helped his price.

[Range Rover 1,935]

No old55, he may have asked for too much at Collingwood, especially if they are now being squeezed in the salary cap, and hence we need to be careful in what we may offer him, if we do. IMO, he's starting to look like someone who's been caught out wanting too much.

David Cloke is quoted on the back of the HUN today as saying they agree with Collingwood on the money being offered, just not the extra year they want.

We (and others) are going to have to offer Travis that year if we stand any chance of landing him.

You won't get anywhere not taking risks in an 18-team cut-throat competition.

[Sir Why You Little 36,744]

David Cloke is quoted on the back of the HUN today as saying they agree with Collingwood on the money being offered, just not the extra year they want.

We (and others) are going to have to offer Travis that year if we stand any chance of landing him.

You won't get anywhere not taking risks in an 18-team cut-throat competition.

Sure. Every time the team takes the field it is a risk. Cloke inc. know time in footy is limited. If the Filth want him they will agree. Once he has gone it would leave a big hole. The MFC know to well what a poor forwardline achieves.

I hope the MFC is still deeply involved in the dealings.

[John Crow Batty 8,826]

A sticking point of an extra year on a well larded contract offer suggests he's gone. Not to us I hope.

[Sir Why You Little 36,744]

A sticking point of an extra year on a well larded contract offer suggests he's gone. Not to us I hope.

So who should we target as a second tall forward. Ready to fire in 2013?

[old dee 23,553]

A sticking point of an extra year on a well larded contract offer suggests he's gone. Not to us I hope.

I don't believe he is worth 5 years.

The guy is a seriously good player but five years is a very long time.

I don't blame the Pies for saying No!

I still find it hard to believe he will

- leave the Pies

- end up at the MFC.

[John Crow Batty 8,826]

So who should we target as a second tall forward. Ready to fire in 2013?

I don't think he is the type of player that will uplift a struggling club at his price. With a strong midfileld and half back line good forwards tend to magically pop up everywhere.

[Dr. Gonzo 23,892]

No, Collingwood offered him what you want to offer him (your "MFC terms") - he might end up taking that at Colingwood but you'll HAVE to offer him more to move - therefore you've effectively said you don't want him

Pretty sure Collingwoods terms would have been around $800K/year whereas ours will be closer to $1M/year.

[John Crow Batty 8,826]

I don't believe he is worth 5 years.

The guy is a seriously good player but five years is a very long time.

I don't blame the Pies for saying No!

I still find it hard to believe he will

- leave the Pies

- end up at the MFC.

I agree with the caveat of his worth playing in a struggling team. With all the angst that he done to them it looks like Scully all over again.

Edited August 22, 2012 by america de cali

[hardtack 10,434]

I don't think he is the type of player that will uplift a struggling club at his price. With a strong midfileld and half back line good forwards tend to magically pop up everywhere.

I'm pretty certain more than a few were saying the same thing about Clark when we threw all of that money at him.

[Sir Why You Little 36,744]

I don't think he is the type of player that will uplift a struggling club at his price. With a strong midfileld and half back line good forwards tend to magically pop up everywhere.

We had that problem in 2010. It is too risky. Mitch Clark needs help. He cannot do it all. If it aint Cloke who should we target?

All good sides have a structured forward line.

To think they will magically appear is poor judgement in my eyes.

[Dr. Gonzo 23,892]

I don't believe he is worth 5 years.

The guy is a seriously good player but five years is a very long time.

I don't blame the Pies for saying No!

I still find it hard to believe he will

- leave the Pies

- end up at the MFC.

He's only 25 though and you have to offer a bit more to try and pry him away from the Pies.

[John Crow Batty 8,826]

I'm pretty certain more than a few were saying the same thing about Clark when we threw all of that money at him.

I actually was pleased he came.

[Dr. Gonzo 23,892]

I don't think he is the type of player that will uplift a struggling club at his price. With a strong midfileld and half back line good forwards tend to magically pop up everywhere.

Really? Because in my time watching the Demons I can count the number of good forwards we have had on one hand (Lyon, Jakovich, Schwarz, Neitz, Clark).

[Lucifers Hero 39,063]

Maybe Collingwood has taken the 'C'est la Vie' (or as Ben Cousins would say 'Such is Life!) view and figure if Cloke goes the bigger his new paypack the better their compo pick will be! Can't lose!

Meanwhile, Cloke is looking like he is burning bridges...can he and his Dad eat the required humble pie to stay? Ooops just re-read the last line...no pun intended!

[Sir Why You Little 36,744]

Really? Because in my time watching the Demons I can count the number of good forwards we have had on one hand (Lyon, Jakovich, Schwarz, Neitz, Clark).

Yep. How often have we ended a season with a healthy % we have struggled to kick big scores for decades.

[hardtack 10,434]

I actually was pleased he came.

So was I... but I think you get my point.

[John Crow Batty 8,826]

Really? Because in my time watching the Demons I can count the number of good forwards we have had on one hand (Lyon, Jakovich, Schwarz, Neitz, Clark).

All depends on team structure. The Swans are doing well without a marque forward. Adelaide have two fickle forwards. The hawks seem do do well wilth fill in's for Buddy. Pies have Cloke with their version of Seller. North have plucked a few out of no where. To many different solutions.

Edited August 22, 2012 by america de cali

[old dee 23,553]

He's only 25 though and you have to offer a bit more to try and pry him away from the Pies.

Five years still concerns me Dr.

Some times players drop of quickly as they approach 30

EG Davey and Moloney

[Hardnut 327]

I'm still of the view that Cloke has asked for too much and is now caught between eating humble pie and going elsewhere for less (as in money or time) - maybe MFC just has to call his bluff, so to speak - he and Collingwood may be happy to part, but we should still be careful.

[Sir Why You Little 36,744]

I'm still of the view that Cloke has asked for too much and is now caught between eating humble pie and going elsewhere for less (as in money or time) - maybe MFC just has to call his bluff, so to speak - he and Collingwood may be happy to part, but we should still be careful.

Absolutely. I don't want to get burnt. But i would hate to see another club prosper with Cloke in it.

He is the type of player we are crying out for.

If it isn't him, who should we target?

[Hardnut 327]

Absolutely. I don't want to get burnt. But i would hate to see another club prosper with Cloke in it.

He is the type of player we are crying out for.

If it isn't him, who should we target?

I wish I knew mate - looking back at our draft selections in 2001 makes me think we should just throw names in a hat!

Seriously, I have a gut feel that we will get Cloke (not necessarily under the conditions I would prefer) - I just hope he proves to be worth whatever we end up paying, in time or money.

More importantly, we need the midfield and the coaching to make it all worthwhile - here's hoping!