We should come right out and admit that we tanked, in our drafting, at every draft in the last five years. There, I have admitted it.

Yeah, because giving the fat controller a legitimate reason to take our compo picks off us is a great move..

idiot

I agree with the OP.

If the club tanked, it should be punished, and I'd like to see it punished.

Success on the back of throwing games is absolutely disgraceful. Fans deserve an apology for this rubbish, and compensation.

What a joke.

We should come right out and admit that we tanked, at every draft in the last five years. There, I have admitted it.

Moreover, the hiring of Barry Prendergast was the single greatest act of tanking in the history of the game!

I agree with the OP.

If the club tanked, it should be punished, and I'd like to see it punished.

Success on the back of throwing games is absolutely disgraceful. Fans deserve an apology for this rubbish, and compensation.

What a joke.

It was a joke, I said that we tanked at drafting not playing.

Success on the back of throwing games? Where's the success been? I can't believe people want us to be punished? Aren't we in a bad enough position as it is?

If these allegations do nothing else- they will make it nearly impossible to entice FA's or OOC players to the club. How are we going to improve? Through the draft, but wait, you want sanctions- which will probably be drafting sanctions. Can't work out the logic!

I agree with the OP.

If the club tanked, it should be punished, and I'd like to see it punished.

Success on the back of throwing games is absolutely disgraceful. Fans deserve an apology for this rubbish, and compensation.

What a joke.

I know!

But instead fans get the 2008 Premiership Cup, the 2010 Premiership Cup, and if the Hawks go again - the 2012 Premiership Cup.

I hope fans of those clubs get compensated...

I wonder if Gaff will be good for WCE?

WCE fans should be compensated for 2010...

I know!

But instead fans get the 2008 Premiership Cup, the 2010 Premiership Cup, and if the Hawks go again - the 2012 Premiership Cup.

I hope fans of those clubs get compensated...

I wonder if Gaff will be good for WCE?

WCE fans should be compensated for 2010...

I don't get this logic...

Hawthorn tanked? I don't remember it even "winning" a spoon, or really ever being THAT bad. They were a bottom-tier team, but probably the 3rd or 4th worst.

WCE tanked, but, LOL, they define "winning culture".

For a team that has been [censored] for 4+ decades, losing on purpose is bottom of the barrel stuff.

We put up with losing, and go to games expecting the team to win. Throwing games is never justified.

Success on the back of throwing games? Where's the success been? I can't believe people want us to be punished? Aren't we in a bad enough position as it is?

If these allegations do nothing else- they will make it nearly impossible to entice FA's or OOC players to the club. How are we going to improve? Through the draft, but wait, you want sanctions- which will probably be drafting sanctions. Can't work out the logic!

I'll rephrase: assumed future success.

Poor ol' Melbourne supporter, already can't handle losing?

I want accountability. I support and love the club and I think those responsible should be held accountable for losing on purpose.

The culture is...just...awful, awful stuff.

When you're losing players because you lose on purpose, you have no chance. The club is done.

If the AFL were to punish Melbourne, so be it. I'm not standing by this club when it loses on purpose. At least WCE had another excuse for being [censored]; they lost arguably the league's two best players in one year!

And it's still a top team LOL just proves how inept Melbourne is.

I'll rephrase: assumed future success.

Poor ol' Melbourne supporter, already can't handle losing?

I want accountability. I support and love the club and I think those responsible should be held accountable for losing on purpose.

The culture is...just...awful, awful stuff.

When you're losing players because you lose on purpose, you have no chance. The club is done.

If the AFL were to punish Melbourne, so be it. I'm not standing by this club when it loses on purpose. At least WCE had another excuse for being [censored]; they lost arguably the league's two best players in one year!

And it's still a top team LOL just proves how inept Melbourne is.

For someone who supposedly supports and loves the clubs, you sure do say a lot of [censored] things about us

I agree with the OP.

If the club tanked, it should be punished, and I'd like to see it punished.

Success on the back of throwing games is absolutely disgraceful. Fans deserve an apology for this rubbish, and compensation.

What a joke.

If you look through the threads from around July 2009, you'll find that most fans on this forum were in favour of tanking as well.

You're all missing the joke, OP is saying we should admit to tanking when drafting our players. A clever joke given how terrible our picks have ended up. Relax there's already 10 topics on this.

In the words of Danny Glover 'who really gives a sh*t!'

I'll rephrase: assumed future success.

Poor ol' Melbourne supporter, already can't handle losing?

I want accountability. I support and love the club and I think those responsible should be held accountable for losing on purpose.

The culture is...just...awful, awful stuff.

When you're losing players because you lose on purpose, you have no chance. The club is done.

If the AFL were to punish Melbourne, so be it. I'm not standing by this club when it loses on purpose. At least WCE had another excuse for being [censored]; they lost arguably the league's two best players in one year!

And it's still a top team LOL just proves how inept Melbourne is.

I don't know why I'm bothering...

As is evidenced now by Barry Prendergast trolling the club, the only way to rise up the ladder is access to the best young players in the land. When you don't have a quality senior group, which we didn't, when you don't have a single star, which we didn't, you need to rebuild through the draft. You may snag the odd good trade, but it's the draft table that is your remedy.

I consider we "softly" tanked. Playing some young players, playing some in different positions, less rotations, etc. to hopefully engineer a result that can improve your opportunities on draft day. I would have demanded no less. The culture at our club is poor because for a long time we've had poor leaders. Even Brock McLean was in the leadership group FFS. One of his best mates was Nathan Carroll. Octoberfest in Germany ring a bell ? This club was never going to change its culture until it started getting some ripping young talent and culture changers, which is a major reason I want Jack Viney.

Did you want to follow a club at the bottom forever ? I repeat, the culture of a club is determined by its senior players and until we develop a quality leadership group we'll struggle. It will suit some, like yourself, to blame our woes on tanking, but it was messing up in the draft that has caused our current plight. You'd be one of very few supporters that didn't want their club to maximise their prospects on draft day.

We should come right out and admit that we tanked, at every draft in the last five years. There, I have admitted it.

oh really? Just worked that one out today Redleg?

You're all missing the joke, OP is saying we should admit to tanking when drafting our players. A clever joke given how terrible our picks have ended up. Relax there's already 10 topics on this.

In the words of Danny Glover 'who really gives a sh*t!'

I thought he said, "I'm getting too old for this sh!t"....

I thought he said, "I'm getting too old for this sh!t"....

I believe you are correct H_T

And I am too

No we didn't .....we experimented.

If these allegations do nothing else- they will make it nearly impossible to entice FA's or OOC players to the club. How are we going to improve? Through the draft, but wait, you want sanctions- which will probably be drafting sanctions. Can't work out the logic!

Bingo!

Does anyone else not think that this was just a hand granade thrown by a rival club on the same day our President stated we were going after a highly sought key position forward FA.

They ask one of our former players who happens to be appearing on TV who no doubt will be asked about his former club to bring up the tanking issue.

Brings some more bad media onto the club, might not look as nice a destination for Cloke as Carlton may???

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I agree with the OP.

If the club tanked, it should be punished, and I'd like to see it punished.

Success on the back of throwing games is absolutely disgraceful. Fans deserve an apology for this rubbish, and compensation.

What a joke.

Is this a joke?

You want the club punished and compensation for the fans?

"Success on the back of throwing games"....... are you high?

Bingo!

Does anyone else not think that this was just a hand granade thrown by a rival club on the same day our President stated we were going after a highly sought key position forward FA.

They ask one of our former players who happens to be appearing on TV who no doubt will be asked about his former club to bring up the tanking issue.

Brings some more bad media onto the club, might not look as nice a destination for Cloke as Carlton may???

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I can't quite put my finger directly on it yet ... but there something definitely odoursome about it.

I can't quite put my finger directly on it yet ... but there something definitely odoursome about it.

It was always going to be thrown. It was just a matter of when...

It was always going to be thrown. It was just a matter of when...

No doubt ... but it pays to look at who is throwing it so we can determine why.

Out of the blue (pardon the pun) at round 18 Melbourne are suddely cast as demons (and again) for tanking.

Hmmm.

No doubt ... but it pays to look at who is throwing it so we can determine why.

Out of the blue (pardon the pun) at round 18 Melbourne are suddely cast as demons (and again) for tanking.

Hmmm.

No arguement there. But i wish it had been addressed fully at last years AGM. to have silence was a large mistake, as we were always going to get bitten hard.

AFL now to interview Brock re allegations