I've always thought Stringer could be the best of his draft year, there was so much upside for him.

I hope we can identify someone with upside this year but as 'Macca' says, the draft is a bit of a raffle.

Many clubs were wary because he broke his leg? Or something similar?

Anyhoo......moving right along....

My God I am so sick of this

This is a shining example of just how stupid all you draft revisionists are

Black went at pick 31. That means every club overlooked him twice before Brisbane got him

But for some reason we 'should' have been able to magically see a champion 31 picks deep

If we could just see into the future and pick the best player at every pick we would have won 20 flags in a row FFS

and how do you even know if players would have developed in the same way at the MFC? You can't know, nobody can

How can your sense of basic reasoning fail you so badly

You are right C and B.

The real problem however is in us picking duds. Not only that, but picking duds with very high picks.

It is not that we didn't take Joe Blow, who became a champion, but rather having most of the draft to select from we chose duds.

Toumpas is clearly trade bait, and has very little value.

Third round pick, at best, or part of a package you'd expect.

Shouldn't the OP now be changed to Stringer vs Wines? We can add Toumpas back in at a later date if he decides to compete.

I reckon Toumpas is almost certainly trying his absolute best.

Right now, he's just not that good a player. He may get better with maturity but who knows?

Many will continue to judge him according to his draft pick number but I'm left wondering why so many still have so much faith in drafting high school age kids.

Toumpas is clearly trade bait, and has very little value.

Third round pick, at best, or part of a package you'd expect.

Almost contradictory isn't it? I doubt Toumpas would attract much interest at all at this stage, even as part of a package.

I don't see the point of trading Toumpas now. He's worth nothing on the trade table. There's a chance, albeit a slim one, that he could start showing some consistent form next year. He's showed signs so far I guess but not much more than that. Might as well keep him for next year and delist after that if he doesn't make the best 22.

Ever club passed over Chris Grant multiple times, like they all did with James Hird, who, as a player, was fantastic.

I don't really give a crap about the old debate going one here: what is done is done, but I so so soooo love that it's almost mandatory when talking about Hird as a footballer to add an asterix next to his name.

Anyway. Carry on.

Toumpas could be a bit like Ben Jacobs for North - joined a poor side, was gifted games in which he made a litany of errors and looked miles off the pace, and has taken til he's four seasons and a different role at a different club to come on.

Was also a first round pick (albeit late, in a weak and diluted draft).

I can't see Toumpas making it at Melbourne.

I don't really give a crap about the old debate going one here: what is done is done, but I so so soooo love that it's almost mandatory when talking about Hird as a footballer to add an asterix next to his name.

Anyway. Carry on.

I find it an interesting stat that Hird was taken so late in the draft, but it also shows that the focus on the draft has probably changed a lot since that era.

It's a fact that as soon as their name is called out and they join that club, the number they were taken means very little to nothing. But the media and often us supporters won't forget that.

Anyway moving on we have a pick 57 debuting this week. He might be a gun and we can all comparing him to the 56 selected before him....

Anyway moving on we have a pick 57 debuting this week. He might be a gun and we can all comparing him to the 56 selected before him....

Pick 53, just like his brother.

Toumpas could be a bit like Ben Jacobs for North - joined a poor side, was gifted games in which he made a litany of errors and looked miles off the pace, and has taken til he's four seasons and a different role at a different club to come on.

Was also a first round pick (albeit late, in a weak and diluted draft).

I can't see Toumpas making it at Melbourne.

I agree. Cut him loose, have a second dip at the draft. Probably get a second round pick. There will be a very good player around that mark, there nearly always is. Fyfe, Rockliff, Parker, Sloane, Shuey, Touk Miller, Lewis Taylor, just some of the names taken outside of the first round. I like Lovell. I'd love to get that kid.

As much as I've been critical of Toumpas I do feel a little sorry for him. His game against the Bulldogs was very good but either through lack of opportunity or ability we didn't see a repeat performance.

I don't see the point of trading Toumpas now. He's worth nothing on the trade table. There's a chance, albeit a slim one, that he could start showing some consistent form next year. He's showed signs so far I guess but not much more than that. Might as well keep him for next year and delist after that if he doesn't make the best 22.

I'd keep him and I reckon he'll come on next year, he reminds me of Thompson just before he went back to Adelaide.I can't see value of trading for peanuts when we've kept and still keep lots of peanuts on our list. They even promoted a few to the squad against freo.

I'd keep him and I reckon he'll come on next year, he reminds me of Thompson just before he went back to Adelaide.I can't see value of trading for peanuts when we've kept and still keep lots of peanuts on our list. They even promoted a few to the squad against freo.

He is nothing like Thompson was, other than the coach didn't play them.

also not strictly true of thompson.

he was a lock in our side in his last year for us, then broke his arm, and when he got fit we were flying so it was tough to break back in.

if only Roos had arrived a year early... he'd have taken the big bodies over Toumpas and Wines or Stringer would be likely ours.

For me, the question is whether or not our much vaunted development team which now includes McCartney, can get Jimmy up to consistent AFL level or, whether the damage has been done.

In my opinion, the onus, and the challenge, is with the MFC development coaches.

I find it an interesting stat that Hird was taken so late in the draft, but it also shows that the focus on the draft has probably changed a lot since that era.

It's a fact that as soon as their name is called out and they join that club, the number they were taken means very little to nothing. But the media and often us supporters won't forget that.

The draft takes babies and hopes they become superstars, and then we are so harsh on those kids when they don't.

All teams have hits and misses playing this lottery, and we really shouldn't blame a kid for a recruiter for not having a perfect crystal ball

if only Roos had arrived a year early... he'd have taken the big bodies over Toumpas and Wines or Stringer would be likely ours.

A pretty fair chance we wouldn't have traded for Hogan either though 'hogan'...Roos apparently is not keen on drafting talls.

I don't see the point of trading Toumpas now. He's worth nothing on the trade table. There's a chance, albeit a slim one, that he could start showing some consistent form next year. He's showed signs so far I guess but not much more than that. Might as well keep him for next year and delist after that if he doesn't make the best 22.

As much as I desperately want Jimmy to make it, he just doesn't have football smarts, makes stupid mistakes, too slow for the game!!

Looking at the ins for sunday

The Toumpas card has been marked

What a waste...

Looking at the ins for sunday

The Toumpas card has been marked

What a waste...

Whilst his cards may be marked, its nothing to do with selection this week seeing as he missed last weeks VFL game as he was recovering from concussion.

Dean Kents cards must be marked also as he is not playing