Melbourne gets better of Tom Scully trade

[Redleg 41,479]

Maybe he didn't get along with some players, maybe some will take the "culture" rejection personally, but I expect handshakes and smiles at the end of the match.

I don't.

[beelzebub 23,383]

I'd be surprised if any of the players feel as bitterly towards Scully as we supporters do.

Maybe he didn't get along with some players, maybe some will take the "culture" rejection personally, but I expect handshakes and smiles at the end of the match.

personally id rather the player ( Mfc ) smiled and patted each other as they walk away leaving the scarred and broken bodies of that other mob.

There is far too much niceness for my liking.. After the game, dwon the pub sure...fine. On the field they are the enemy.. they are not your friends.

There is not enough hurt demonstrated by Demons at games end for mine. just another day at the office for many. wrong wrong wrong

[Mickey "O" 32]

The problem is that we are taking $cully's attitude and behavior after games for us personally, as if he hated the club. He acts exactly the same playing for GW$, so it's just his personality.

[H_T 3,049]

The problem is that we are taking $cully's attitude and behavior after games for us personally, as if he hated the club. He acts exactly the same playing for GW$, so it's just his personality.

Agree Mickey 'O'. He plays with the same persona at GWS that he did at our club. I've been watching him closely but I don't expect a couple spruiking 'the vibe' they apparently received to take note. He remains exactly the same [censored] he always was.

[Sir Why You Little 37,136]

Maybe i should but your dry sense of humour is quite prominent, i just find it really negative, then i am overly positive admittedly

I am only negative in some of my posts because i want the club to get it right this time, on & off the field. They are doing ok but mistakes (big ones) have been made in the last 5 years. We have to get it right.

Otherwise we won't make it long term.

18 teams is too many.

[daisycutter 29,743]

The problem is that we are taking $cully's attitude and behavior after games for us personally, as if he hated the club. He acts exactly the same playing for GW$, so it's just his personality.

i thought it was more his lack of personality

[Sir Why You Little 37,136]

i thought it was more his lack of personality

Exactly. Which is what should have been acted upon before we drafted the little turd liar.

I am glad $cully is gone, but i will always be [censored] off we lost a number one pick.

[Adam The God 30,421]

Tambling 4, Franklin 5.

Pav is the only champion #4 pick.

The thing is Hawthorn set themselves up with one good draft. Franklin, Roughead and Lewis in the one draft. Draft well this time around and we could be set up for the next decade.

[Sir Why You Little 37,136]

The thing is Hawthorn set themselves up with one good draft. Franklin, Roughead and Lewis in the one draft. Draft well this time around and we could be set up for the next decade.

Yep. This draft is absolutely crucial to the future of the MFC. another decade of crap and FA will finish the club.

We must get it right.

[old dee 23,872]

Yep. This draft is absolutely crucial to the future of the MFC. another decade of crap and FA will finish the club.

We must get it right.

That must be close to the wisest comment ever wyl.

I totally agree.

[BIG JIM 508]

Even if we use pick 3 on viney we still get the 3rd best player in this draft with the compo pick so there is no need to talk about pick 4

[beelzebub 23,383]

I dunno. Maybe the cynic in me but theres a certain feeling of deja vu about an inpending draft and the verocity of its importance.

[Sir Why You Little 37,136]

I dunno. Maybe the cynic in me but theres a certain feeling of deja vu about an inpending draft and the verocity of its importance.

Free Agency will rip this list apart if we do not start winning.

This draft is F$&@ing crucial

3 picks in the top 20. This is it.

[Geddy Lee 582]

The thing is Hawthorn set themselves up with one good draft. Franklin, Roughead and Lewis in the one draft. Draft well this time around and we could be set up for the next decade.

They had a tremendous 2001 draft. Ladson, Hodge and Mitchell. You can't say they're set up because of one draft.

One amazing thing about the 2001 draft which we completely and utterly F**CKED UP:

5 Brownlow medals (and I reckon Ablett could make it 6 this year)

4 Norm Smith medals

Edited June 17, 2012 by Geddy Lee

[Carlos Danger 380]

So very fortunate that Scully's management were elite negotiators and that compensation was pre-dominantly based on coin.

Pay packets aside, Ward has been the Ablett recruit for GWS.

[beelzebub 23,383]

Free Agency will rip this list apart if we do not start winning.

This draft is F$&@ing crucial

3 picks in the top 20. This is it.

youd like to think 3 picks would net somethiing..and something bloody good. We know what were geting with Viney. That in itself is a rare win, theres no guessing here, hes a bone fide gun. He still needs work, he still will have to step up but we know he has that in him. No pencil in here, get the texta out. . He will command a high pick. other teams will make sure of that. Two picks to get ONE other decent player. Youd think that was a lockin but we know better.

I think this is very much more about the selction lads knowing what they are after...really know and pickiing accordingly upon some really thorough homework.

[Pennant St Dee 13,305]

Free Agency will rip this list apart if we do not start winning.

This draft is F$&@ing crucial

3 picks in the top 20. This is it.

How is that Wyl, free agency is no different to us then any other club barring Pies, Bombers, Hawks and interstate clubs,most of the decent kids we have, have only been at the club 3-5 years so they are not free agents for another 3-5 years and they are not unrestricted for another 5-7 so if we haven't started winning by that stage it will mean no other club would touch them

Is there ever a time when you are not so negative, I have talked people out of committing suicide who are more positive!

[Pennant St Dee 13,305]

They had a tremendous 2001 draft. Ladson, Hodge and Mitchell. You can't say they're set up because of one draft.

One amazing thing about the 2001 draft which we completely and utterly F**CKED UP:

5 Brownlow medals (and I reckon Ablett could make it 6 this year)

4 Norm Smith medals

Lets not lose sight of the draft being a lottery at times, yes you need recruiters to do their homework but there are always Fyfe's, Selwoods, Zharakis', Bartels who for one reason or another fall into your lap beause they are not rated as high as others.

Or you can finish low down in a year when there are freaks in the draft, 2003 we finish down low in a draft that very few have really turned the footy world upside down. Another year and those picks 3 & 5 could have been Roughead & Buddy or Thomas & Pendlebury

Chris JUDD fell into Meth Coasts lap in 2001 at Pick 3 and was the final piece in the puzzle with Kerr, Cousins & Gardiner who went down and was replaced by Cox.

For these reasons I am dead against the suggestion from another thread in giving up pick 3 & 4 to get pick 1, I think 2 tips in the Top 5 will give you long term depth and a better chance of improving your list overall

[rjay 25,093]

Lets not lose sight of the draft being a lottery at times, yes you need recruiters to do their homework but there are always Fyfe's, Selwoods, Zharakis', Bartels who for one reason or another fall into your lap beause they are not rated as high as others.

Or you can finish low down in a year when there are freaks in the draft, 2003 we finish down low in a draft that very few have really turned the footy world upside down. Another year and those picks 3 & 5 could have been Roughead & Buddy or Thomas & Pendlebury

Chris JUDD fell into Meth Coasts lap in 2001 at Pick 3 and was the final piece in the puzzle with Kerr, Cousins & Gardiner who went down and was replaced by Cox.

For these reasons I am dead against the suggestion from another thread in giving up pick 3 & 4 to get pick 1, I think 2 tips in the Top 5 will give you long term depth and a better chance of improving your list overall

Spot on "Pennant" as I've just expressed in the said thread.

[Sir Why You Little 37,136]

How is that Wyl, free agency is no different to us then any other club barring Pies, Bombers, Hawks and interstate clubs,most of the decent kids we have, have only been at the club 3-5 years so they are not free agents for another 3-5 years and they are not unrestricted for another 5-7 so if we haven't started winning by that stage it will mean no other club would touch them

Is there ever a time when you are not so negative, I have talked people out of committing suicide who are more positive!

If we do not get this club winning soon...over the next 3-5 years our list will be bought by the stronger clubs.

Once that happens there will be little to fight for...i saw Fitzroy go...

We have to get this draft right 100%..it is crucial..if you think that is negative PSD i apologize, i consider it reality

The years 2008-11 were nowhere near as good as they should have been.

[rpfc 28,779]

Unless we are getting Sidebottom of course we keep 3 and 4.

However, if GWS agree to get us in the 17 year old mini draft for Pick 3 - and an agreement that pushes Viney to the second round of course - than I would do that in a heart beat as it would mean we would mean effectively swapping Pick 23ish for the highest rated 17 year old in the land.

Because without a deal - Viney will be 3.

He'll be worth it but let's try and get a deal done.

[beelzebub 23,383]

I just reallycant see GWS doing us any favours

[rpfc 28,779]

I just reallycant see GWS doing us any favours

If they want Pick 3 they will doing themselves a favour - no-one else can get near that for the 17 year old draft.

[Hannibal 5,814]

No one in their right mind would trade pick 1 for pick 4 and 13.

Past pick 4s have included Morton, Fiora, Ray. Past pick 13s have included Matthew Bate, Tom Lynch (x-Stkilda), Mitch Brown (geelong nothing player).

Pick 1 is a lock great player (or should be at least).

I won't enter the debate about whether picks 4 and 13 are as good as pick one, as I agree with you that on the surface they shouldn't be, although I don't rate some pick ones, such as Gibbs, but I will point out that you're making the same error that nearly everyone makes when analysing the value of draft picks.

You, and others, list many players that have previously gone at picks 4 and 13 as evidence that those picks are a lottery. And while there are no guarantees in any draft your premise is flawed. Assuming we have to unfortunately use pick 3 on Viney we have an entire field to choose from after the first two picks when it comes to pick 4. My point being ? When you list all of the pick 4's that you don't rate you're dismissing all of the other players that were available to those clubs at the time. Don't just list the pick 4's, list all of the players that went at 5/6/7/8/9/10/11/ and 12, because they were in play when that club got to its pick 4. The fact that the clubs in question may have chosen poorly has no consequence when discussing the value of pick 4. It's about getting the pick right. It's the same with pick 13. A club may choose Matty Bate, but players such as Hannebery, Shuey, Sloane, Darling, Rockliff, Beams, Ballantyne and countless others have been chosen in various drafts after pick 13. The value in picks 4 and 13 are not defined by the choices other clubs have previously made.

I understand why some supporters confidence may have been shaken with regard to our capacity to use our picks wisely, but I hope you understand the point I'm making.

Edited June 18, 2012 by Ben-Hur

[beelzebub 23,383]

I won't enter the debate about whether picks 4 and 13 are as good as pick one, as I agree with you that on the surface they shouldn't be, although I don't rate some pick ones, such as Gibbs, but I will point out that you're making the same error that nearly everyone makes when analysing the value of draft picks.

You, and others, list many players that have previously gone at picks 4 and 13 as evidence that those picks are a lottery. And while there are no guarantees in any draft your premise is flawed. Assuming we have to unfortunately use pick 3 on Viney we have an entire field to choose from after the first two picks when it comes to pick 4. My point being ? When you list all of the pick 4's that you don't rate you're dismissing all of the other players that were available to those clubs at the time. Don't just list the pick 4's, list all of the players that went at 5/6/7/8/9/10/11/ and 12, because they were in play when that club got to its pick 4. The fact that the clubs in question may have chosen poorly has no consequence when discussing the value of pick 4. It's about getting the pick right. It's the same with pick 13. A club may choose Matty Bate, but players such as Hannebery, Shuey, Sloane, Darling, Rockliff, Beams, Ballantyne and countless others have been chosen in various drafts after pick 13. The value in picks 4 and 13 are not defined by the choices other clubs have previously made.

I understand why some supporters confidence may have been shaken with regard to our capacity to use our picks wisely, but I hope you understand the point I'm making.

A little too much logic and sense there, pleasse tone it down.