Trengove with a bullet. Next most likely Frawley...

Smokeys will be Blease and Clark. Both could be disasters or absolute rocks.

It's not based on the single AA plaudit.

He has been A grade for 2&1/2 seasons now, whether you realised it or not.

What can I say ... your A grade is my B grade.

Am I the only one that does not see the comparison of Trengove to Bartel? Perhaps I should rephrase that, am I the only one that sees a Trengove - Luke Hodge comparison closer than the JT/Bartell one?

I see a lot of young Mark Ricciuto in him.

Lol elite is best of the best. Saying there is 40 elite players in the comp is diluting the term "elite."

Best of the best- it is impossible for 40 players to have this status- I'd say you chose the elite from a selection of the best players- and you'll be looking at a total of around 10 out of a selection of 80-100 players.

I think even at 10 we're pushing it.

5% of Players are Elite . The second 20-40 ranked players could be on their way up or down from there .The term irritates me anyway-and plebs should not be able to use it because they don't understand it .Only the elite should use it .

Fastt forward Sept 2014. I can see a player in red and blue holding up the premiership cup. Someone just poured champagne over my head and it got into my eyes and blurred my vision. It looks like ...pur...pen........um? Ouch my! Arrrgh!!...my eyes are burning.

Edited February 8, 201213 yr by Jackie

5% of Players are Elite . The second 20-40 ranked players could be on their way up or down from there .The term irritates me anyway-and plebs should not be able to use it because they don't understand it .Only the elite should use it .

What makes you [-----] Biff?

Would Jonathon Patton be out of the question?

Put a motor into LJ and his line breaking and delivery from the wings into a forward line would be mouth watering...

LJ will never be elite. He will be enigmatic. sometimes sensational, other times he'll disappear

Would Jonathon Patton be out of the question?

Pendlebury!!!!

Pendlebury!!!!

I think Pendlebury is a fantastic player and would love to have him but the only reason he would leave Collingwood is for the cash on offer at GWS (or a major fallout with Buckley) which we can never offer. I hope it does to them what the Scully thing did for us. Maybe Eddie can break the news on his brekky program, lol.

Let's develop our own and maybe top up with a GC or GWS kid who wants to come home.

There are 20-40 elite players in the comp.Each club has 1 or 2 that could be called Elite. SO about top 5% .IMHO.

We have no-one that is elite. Maybe Jamar.

PA have no-one. GC have one. GWS have none.

You can't judge it like that.

Collingwood have Pendlebury, Swan, Cloke, and I am missing a couple here. Geelong: Bartel, Selwood, Johnson, and a couple others that may not be in their league but are above our league (Corey, Enright). StK: Riewoldt, Goddard, Dal Santo, Montagna all better than our best, all probably elite. Hawks: Mitchell, Hodge, Franklin, Sewell.

So, yeah, around the 30 players mark, but no Melbourne player in sight I would think, nor PA, GWS, WB, Tiges, NM, and BL.

You have to grade every single player in the league and that would lead to a bell curve. If we use supercoach prices as a rough indicator I am sure there will be a few at the top a few rookies at the bottom and a whole glut of player in the average range.

Bell Curve.

What can I say ... your A grade is my B grade.

Not necessarily.

I'm just more perceptive than you are when it comes to judging a player's ability.

It's also subjective anyway.

Now, if you want a REAL smokey, I'll throw you a name... MORTON.

Late bloomer.

I wouldn't put a ceiling on this kid.

Edited February 8, 201213 yr by Lutz

I think Pendlebury is a fantastic player and would love to have him but the only reason he would leave Collingwood is for the cash on offer at GWS (or a major fallout with Buckley) which we can never offer. I hope it does to them what the Scully thing did for us. Maybe Eddie can break the news on his brekky program, lol.

Let's develop our own and maybe top up with a GC or GWS kid who wants to come home.

I'd prefer Gazza break the news on the radio show, and then stoke the fire repeatedly throughout the year.

I'd prefer Gazza break the news on the radio show, and then stoke the fire repeatedly throughout the year.

Sounds good to me.

Agree with Frawley but the term ELITE means top few players in the league.

I couldnt name our last elite player......

Robbie Flower wouild be our last elite player.

Watts, Gysberts & Jurrah have the potential to be our best 3 in 3 years time. Jurrah will be unbelievable after 3 more pre seasons. Tapscott is my smokie.

We have no-one that is elite. Maybe Jamar.

PA have no-one. GC have one. GWS have none.

You can't judge it like that.

Collingwood have Pendlebury, Swan, Cloke, and I am missing a couple here. Geelong: Bartel, Selwood, Johnson, and a couple others that may not be in their league but are above our league (Corey, Enright). StK: Riewoldt, Goddard, Dal Santo, Montagna all better than our best, all probably elite. Hawks: Mitchell, Hodge, Franklin, Sewell.

So, yeah, around the 30 players mark, but no Melbourne player in sight I would think, nor PA, GWS, WB, Tiges, NM, and BL.

You have to grade every single player in the league and that would lead to a bell curve. If we use supercoach prices as a rough indicator I am sure there will be a few at the top a few rookies at the bottom and a whole glut of player in the average range.

Bell Curve.

I think Rioli maybe classified as an elite player.

Bell Curve.

I'm no statistician but it's unlikely to be a normal distribution IMO.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normal_distribution

More likely to be skewed to the right with a lot of ordinary players and very few elite players.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skewness

More likley to be a log-nornal distribuion or Pareto distribution

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Log-normal_distribution

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_distribution

I see a lot of young Mark Ricciuto in him.

Interesting you say that RR, as from memory, when JT was playing junior in SA, he was being touted as the next Roo wasn't he?

I have to be honest, I've never really looked at them to compare, but now you mention it, there's some merit in the call.

I'm no statistician but it's unlikely to be a normal distribution IMO.

http://en.wikipedia....al_distribution

More likely to be skewed to the right with a lot of ordinary players and very few elite players.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skewness

More likley to be a log-nornal distribuion or Pareto distribution

http://en.wikipedia....al_distribution

http://en.wikipedia....to_distribution

what, no 'J' curves there Old55?

I'd be curious what the mean absolute deviation (MAD) and tracking signal smoothed error (TSSE) would be for MFC during the 4-year rebuild and how it relates to historical rebuild statistics allowing for the usual external factors

I'm no statistician but it's unlikely to be a normal distribution IMO.

http://en.wikipedia....al_distribution

More likely to be skewed to the right with a lot of ordinary players and very few elite players.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skewness

More likley to be a log-nornal distribuion or Pareto distribution

http://en.wikipedia....al_distribution

http://en.wikipedia....to_distribution

Ok, so at least you know what I am talking about...

Some on here think you can grade all players by saying the best 40 are A, the second 40 B+, the third 40 B, etc. but that makes little sense as a rudimentary, if subjective, analysis tells us that there are more 'B' players in the AFL than A players.

I would love for someone to run a ranking graph based on Supercoach prices (for lack of an easier measure). I will have a look around the site later and see what can be done but I assume a few really expensive players, a few rookies and a great deal of average players.

Interesting you say that RR, as from memory, when JT was playing junior in SA, he was being touted as the next Roo wasn't he?

I have to be honest, I've never really looked at them to compare, but now you mention it, there's some merit in the call.

Bartel, Hodge, Ricciuto - That's good company right there.

I like the Bartel comparison tbh, with a touch of Hodge aggression.

LJ will never be elite. He will be enigmatic. sometimes sensational, other times he'll disappear

Like Watts, TJ , and Silvia, Liam has shown that when he's ON he is elite. However, the swings to date from best to worst is too wide and therefore he's not ON consistently enough to be elite, yet.

I'd say Jack Watts is similarly not ON enough. Pleople are disposed to believe that Jack Watts will develop the consistency, the engine and drive to be ON more often, and if he does develop these things then with his obvious talent he should be elite.

Liam didn't come throught the classical development and draft system yet in his career to date has displayed he has the talent to be elite. The doubt you are voicing is that he won't develop the consistency, the engine and drive to display his evident talent consistently.

I disagree. Liam has had to give up more (his culture and family) and work harder (i.e. learn english) to get to where he is than most of the MFC list, and this to me indicates a resolve that will allow his talent to flourish.

Liam will be a star in the sublime mold of the great Robbie Flower.

Edited February 9, 201213 yr by PaulRB

Robbie Flower wouild be our last elite player.

Watts, Gysberts & Jurrah have the potential to be our best 3 in 3 years time. Jurrah will be unbelievable after 3 more pre seasons. Tapscott is my smokie.

No, Flower was a superstar. I consider elite players to include Lyon and Stynes. I really don't know why elite now equals superstar status. For me elite is really A grade, or perhaps A+. Each to their own I suppose.

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