possibly doubling up the thread but had a look through and couldn't easily spot one so here we go.

was just having a look at the MFC website, specifically our player list, and i thought to myself; if they were all fit who would be the best 22? the results may shock some, others may agree but it should create a healthy debate for 70ish days i hope.

FB: strauss frawley tapscott

HB: garland sellar grimes

C: bail jones nicholson

HF: howe watts sylvia

FF: petterd clark jurrah

FOLL: jamar trengove moloney

INT: mckenzie martin mcdonald (blease)

i believe the versatility of our talls means that the likes of martin and mcdonald could potentially play both down back in the ruck and up forward in the one game to help with rotations.

i went for sellar down back instead of rivers. from reports i think he's big enough to stand toe to toe with the likes of cloke, dawes, petrie which rivers struggled with and i think garland is quite capable of playing 3rd man up.

blease as sub in my opinion adds a genuine and dangerous burst of speed coming up to 3/4 time and into the last stanza without bringing into question his fitness base.

unlucky: green, davey, bate, gysberts, magner

good to see this isn't even scratching the surface, just praying that we can keep this kind of depth without TOO many outs during the season.

who would u remove for sylvia in round 2?

who would u remove for sylvia in round 2?

maybe green or davey in for rnd 1 out for rnd 2??

who would u remove for sylvia in round 2?

How can you tell until after Rond 1?

My Round 1 22:

FB: Strauss Frawley Rivers

HB: Bennell Garland Grimes

C: Bail Jones Bate

HF: Howe Watts Petterd

FF: Davey Clark Jurrah

FOLL: Jamar Moloney Trengove

INT: Nicholson Martin McKenzie (Blease)

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Not necessarily the best, but that's how I'd have them line up.

I struggle to find a spot for Green.

My Round 1 22:

FB: Strauss Frawley Rivers

HB: Bennell Garland Grimes

C: Bail Jones Bate

HF: Howe Watts Petterd

FF: Davey Clark Jurrah

FOLL: Jamar Moloney Trengove

INT: Nicholson Martin McKenzie (Blease)

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Not necessarily the best, but that's how I'd have them line up.

I struggle to find a spot for Green.

Good side on paper ...hope that is close to it. Blease could make a gun sub after half time.

Mine;

FB: Bartram Frawley Bennell

HB: Garland Rivers Grimes

C: Jones Gysberts Green

HF: Howe Watts Petterd

FF: Davey Clark Jurrah

FOLL: Jamar Moloney Trengove

INT: Bail Martin McKenzie (McDonald)

How can you tell until after Rond 1?

I didn't think Sylvia could play Rd 1? Was it not part of his suspension, or am I getting confused?

I didn't think Sylvia could play Rd 1? Was it not part of his suspension, or am I getting confused?

Col is out in Round one yes, but choosing which player he replaces in Round 2 is impossible right now.

Here's mine

I think the back line is really interesting and I reckon we will garland play on small to medium players this and give us some real drive off half back, so I could see frawley , rivers, garland and sellar in the back line at times this year depending on the size of the opposition forwards, I've left out Sylvia due to suspension and davey as he needs to earn a position

B bartram, frawley, rivers

HB garland, sellar, bennell

C nicholson, trengove, jones

Hf Howe , watts , blease

F jurrah, Clark , green

Ruck jamar , moloney, gysberts

Int Martin, mckenzie, tapacott, petterd

What do people think ?

possibly doubling up the thread but had a look through and couldn't easily spot one so here we go.

was just having a look at the MFC website, specifically our player list, and i thought to myself; if they were all fit who would be the best 22? the results may shock some, others may agree but it should create a healthy debate for 70ish days i hope.

FB: strauss frawley tapscott

HB: garland sellar grimes

C: bail jones nicholson

HF: howe watts sylvia

FF: petterd clark jurrah

FOLL: jamar trengove moloney

INT: mckenzie martin mcdonald (blease)

i believe the versatility of our talls means that the likes of martin and mcdonald could potentially play both down back in the ruck and up forward in the one game to help with rotations.

i went for sellar down back instead of rivers. from reports i think he's big enough to stand toe to toe with the likes of cloke, dawes, petrie which rivers struggled with and i think garland is quite capable of playing 3rd man up.

blease as sub in my opinion adds a genuine and dangerous burst of speed coming up to 3/4 time and into the last stanza without bringing into question his fitness base.

unlucky: green, davey, bate, gysberts, magner

good to see this isn't even scratching the surface, just praying that we can keep this kind of depth without TOO many outs during the season.

Just a few points re your lineup:

1. Sylvia is suspended for round 1

2. Nicholson is (currently) a rookie

3. Strauss is coming back from a serious injury, and although he is making remarkable progress by all accounts, I would think it highly unlikely that he will be fit for round 1.

I have given this a bit of thought too, and I would look at

BENNELL FRAWLEY RIVERS

TAPSCOTT SELLAR GARLAND

TRENGOVE MOLONEY BAIL

GREEN WATTS HOWE

DAVEY CLARK JURRAH

JAMAR MCKENZIE JONES

MARTIN BLEASE JETTA (PETTERD)

All lineups at this stage of course are highly speculative: pre-season Ansett/Wizard/etc Cup form, injuries and fitness etc etc

Always fun to discus though

A few points from above best 22s:

- Why would anybody leave Grimes out of the best 22?

- Strauss won't be ready for round 1... i'd be looking for a VFL return for 6-7 weeks before AFL return, so minimum a mid-season AFL return

- I believe Seller was brought in to play the gorilla forwards, which only 7 or 8 teams actually have. He will be 4th in line behind Frawley, Garland and Rivers

Garland Frawley Grimes

Bail Rivers Tapscott

Howe Moloney Sylvia

Jurrah Watts Petterd

Green Clark Davey

Jamar Trengove McKenzie

Int: Martin, Jones, Gysberts + Blease (sub)

Unlucky= Bennel and Morton. Should be best 22 players, but due to a terribly inconsistent 2011, will need to prove themselves.

Injured= Strauss and Gawn

Depth players who only get games due to injury from best 22 players: Bate (Mid), Dunn (HFF), Bartram (HBF), Jetta (Mid), Macdonald (HBF), Spenser (Ruck), Seller (KPD)

Developing players who will play majority in VFL but should be blooded a few games: Cook (KPF), Davis (KPD), Fitzpatrick (KPF/Ruck), McDonald (KPD/KPF), Taggert (mid/forward), Tynan (HBF)

Rookies: Evans, Nicholson, Lawrence, Tom Couch, James Magner, Jai Sheehan, Leigh Williams

Sellar being given a game pretty easily I reckon.

I didn't think we were in dire need of an extra tall defender.

Depending on opposition:

FB: Rivers Frawley Bennell

HB: Grimes Garland Tapscott

C: Jones Moloney Blease

HF: Davey Watts Howe

FF: Jurrah Clark Green

R: Jamar Trengove McKenzie

I/C: Gysberts, Petterd, Martin & Bail.

- Rivers to play that floating role, Chip is just a gimme & Bennell to take a crumber

- Grimes & Tappy quarterbacks. Garland I like at CHB, is a spoiling machine.

- Moloney owns the centre. Jones can run all day and Blease can rest down forward.

- Forward line is flexible. All six can play anywhere and rotate deep for breathers.

- Rucks are a certain. Gotta have McKenzie he is all heart.

- Interchange is really flexible and god I hope I havent missed out on a gimme

Never tried this, but I'll have a crack:

FB: Garland Frawley Grimes

HB: Tapscott Rivers Morton

C: Bail Moloney Gysberts

HF: Davey Watts Blease

FF: Green Clark Howe

R: Jamar Jones Trengove

I/C: McKenzie Martin Petterd (sub: Bennell)

Sylvia to come in rd 2 obviously - drop whoever doesn't perform rd 1.

Love Bartram's endeavour, but if you can't kick in today's football, you cost your team dearly. I can remember too clearly the West Coast game at Etihad when he fluffed 2 gimme goals whilst we were making a comeback. Killed any chance we had and shattered the morale of the team. He lost me that day.

I am hopeful Fitzpatrick will make a play for a spot in the 22 at some stage this year, but not brave enough to slot him in for round 1.

Jurrah doesn't get a game in my round 1 team because he is too far behind the rest of the group in terms of training and fitness and despite his undoubted ability, I think it would be good for him to fight for a spot in the team and develop the hunger to be an AFL superstar.

McDonald unfortunately has poor disposal and decision making and I can't fit him in for round 1 despite my great admiration for the way he goes about his football.

Nicholson is close and I expect he will be first cab off the rank for promotion from the rookie list, but still can't fit him in ahead of those named.

Jetta is underdone after major off-season shoulder surgery. Would love him in the team... don't know at whose expense.

Sellar is an unknown to me and I can't name him based on what I don't know.

Strauss is not expected to play for some time still.

Green is still a star and deserves a spot in the team for round 1. As for his captaincy... I think he played better footy without it.

Rookies: Evans, Nicholson, Lawrence, Tom Couch, James Magner, Jai Sheehan, Leigh Williams

... one of these will play round 1, possible even two. e.g. Nicholson plus one of Couch or Magner.

Competition for spots could make the NAB games interesting.

Re other posts above, I wouldn't mind betting Bartram will play every game. Neeld said he wanted us to be hard to play against, and Bartram's the most belligerant stopper we have.

FB: Bartram Frawley Garland

HB: Grimes Sellar Nicholson

C: Jones Trengove Bail

HF: Howe Watts Jurrah

F: Davey Clark Green

R: Jamar Moloney Sylvia

Int.: Martin Petterd/Mckenzie Tapscott (Blease)

Emg. Rivers Strauss Gysberts

Morton undeserved

Jetta is a maybe player

Mcdonald still developing

Joel Mac is cover now

Magner and Couch need to prove themselves

Tynan Taggert can develop in VFL

Cook will never develop into a bigger body and unless he makes good strides in the next two years good be facing the clutch in 2013, much like Fitzpatrick this year.

We have a lot of depth, thanks Barry Prendergast, and like Bailey always wanted competition for spots is now at its peak. Bailey, who i really hated but when i reflec was right in what he said many times about creating depth and that is exactly what he has helped achieve. We have a lot of fringe players and this is becoming a problem when selecting the best 22 because anyone could pop up in the pre season. Many older heads may look for a trade come years end, Rivers and Joel Mac, so could some of our fringe, Jetta, Morton, Fitzy. I think we will be the most active in the trade period this year mainly because of the amount of fringe players we have. We may land some good talent in the trade period this year. Bailey's vision is becoming a reality, shame he was a terrible tactician and gameday coach. I think he will look on in anger and envy in the next few years, poor man!

possibly doubling up the thread but had a look through and couldn't easily spot one so here we go.

was just having a look at the MFC website, specifically our player list, and i thought to myself; if they were all fit who would be the best 22? the results may shock some, others may agree but it should create a healthy debate for 70ish days i hope.

FB: strauss frawley tapscott

HB: garland sellar grimes

C: bail jones nicholson

HF: howe watts sylvia

FF: petterd clark jurrah

FOLL: jamar trengove moloney

INT: mckenzie martin mcdonald (blease)

i believe the versatility of our talls means that the likes of martin and mcdonald could potentially play both down back in the ruck and up forward in the one game to help with rotations.

i went for sellar down back instead of rivers. from reports i think he's big enough to stand toe to toe with the likes of cloke, dawes, petrie which rivers struggled with and i think garland is quite capable of playing 3rd man up.

blease as sub in my opinion adds a genuine and dangerous burst of speed coming up to 3/4 time and into the last stanza without bringing into question his fitness base.

unlucky: green, davey, bate, gysberts, magner

good to see this isn't even scratching the surface, just praying that we can keep this kind of depth without TOO many outs during the season.

Magner is 'unlucky'???? He hasn't played an AFL game!

Magner is 'unlucky'???? He hasn't played an AFL game!

Not even on the list!

A few points from above best 22s:

- Why would anybody leave Grimes out of the best 22?

- Strauss won't be ready for round 1... i'd be looking for a VFL return for 6-7 weeks before AFL return, so minimum a mid-season AFL return

- I believe Seller was brought in to play the gorilla forwards, which only 7 or 8 teams actually have. He will be 4th in line behind Frawley, Garland and Rivers

Garland Frawley Grimes

Bail Rivers Tapscott

Howe Moloney Sylvia

Jurrah Watts Petterd

Green Clark Davey

Jamar Trengove McKenzie

Int: Martin, Jones, Gysberts + Blease (sub)

Unlucky= Bennel and Morton. Should be best 22 players, but due to a terribly inconsistent 2011, will need to prove themselves.

Injured= Strauss and Gawn

Depth players who only get games due to injury from best 22 players: Bate (Mid), Dunn (HFF), Bartram (HBF), Jetta (Mid), Macdonald (HBF), Spenser (Ruck), Seller (KPD)

Developing players who will play majority in VFL but should be blooded a few games: Cook (KPF), Davis (KPD), Fitzpatrick (KPF/Ruck), McDonald (KPD/KPF), Taggert (mid/forward), Tynan (HBF)

Rookies: Evans, Nicholson, Lawrence, Tom Couch, James Magner, Jai Sheehan, Leigh Williams

Nice effort I reckon and you make good sense. We look a little slow through the centre though. Ball carriers like Blease, Davey, Bail and Bennell are going to need to step up.

I have a feeling Neeld will have a soft spot for Nev Jetta and he and Bate will be around the mark. None of these help us with what could be a lack of leg speed.

FB: Rivers Frawley Bartram

HB: Grimes Garland Morton

C: Bate Moloney Gysberts

HF: Howe Watts Jurrah

FF: Green Clark Davey

R: Jamar Jones Trengove

I/C: McKenzie Martin Bail (sub:Petterd)

Blease Tapscott unlucky, Morton in hope and Sylvia to come in....boy the NAB is going to be interesting for all concerned, especially Nicholson who is likely to get the nod and put the pressure on for a spot. And Sellar who doesn't get a look in until he is a known quantity.

I agree with a lot of what Sylvinator has said.

However, I think Neeld will be keen to play Clark Sellar and one of Magner and Couch in the first game

I also think that a number of players who are either in rehab or simply aren't fit will not be considered as Neeld will not feel that they have enough "work" in them. Therefore I have not included McKenzie, Tapscott, Jurrah, Strauss, Petterd, or Davey. I haven't considered Sylvia

Now that Gawn is gone, we can upgrade two rookies

Jetta Frawley Garland

Grimes Sellar Nicholson

Jones Moloney Bail

Howe Watts Green(Sylvia)

Bennell Clark Bate

Jamar Trengove Gysberts

Martin Magner/Couch Blease Bartram (sub)

Best 22 and the 22 for round 1 are different to take the punt and pick our round 1 team I think it will be

Bartram Frawley Rivers

Grimes Garland Bennell

Trengove Moloney Bail

Howe Watts Jurrah

Martin Clark Davey

Jamar Jones Gysberts

Green Petterd Nicholson Morton

Em Dunn Bate Blease

This differs from my best 22

Bartram Frawley Rivers

Grimes Garland Bennell

Trengove Sylvia Gysberts

Howe Watts Jurrah

Martin Clark Davey

Jamar Moloney Jones

McKenzie Green Tapscott Petterd

Like above I don't think Tapscott and McKenzie will be ready round 1

FB: Nicholson Frawley Rivers

HB: Tapscott Garland Grimes

C: Bail Moloney Morton

HF: Green McDonald Watts

FF: Davey Clark Jurrah

FOLL: Jamar Jones Trengove

INT: Martin McKenzie Howe (Blease)

EMG: Petterd, Sellar, Gysberts

FB: bennell frawley rivers

HB: garland martin grimes

C: trengove jones bail

HF: howe watts green

FF: davey clark jurrah

FOLL: jamar bate moloney

INT: mcdonald gysberts nicholson (blease)

Emg:Tapscot

Rd 1 - need big talls to play Hawthorn. Not sure if sellar is up to the standard.So martin it is.

Sylvia id play on ball if available.

Bate gets a game as part of Neeld's game play.

Mckenzie wont be ready.