The word on Brad Green

[pantaloons 2,018]

We are fortunate that our club ( all clubs) dont operate as suggested by many on this site - "take it or rack off" - the conversations are a little more civilised than that with some give and take. The club did stick to their guns with Cameron Bruce and offer no guarantees past a one year contract and rightly so. Cam said the offer was disrespectful to him - basically that translates to " i am worth more years than you are offering" - sad but that happens. In Cam's case the money at MFC was much better than the Hawks - I fear he has rolled the dice and lost. Who knows what they will/have offered Brad Green. I think the point that needs to be clearly made is there are only problems with players when the player and the clubs expectations are not in alignment - of course there are always the ambit claims but one hopes that a middle ground can be reached.

At least Bruce's situation offers a bit of a "the grass isn't always greener" scenario for Green to observe. Bruce will likely be delisted by the Hawks in the coming days with little fanfare or any care from Hawks fans after failing to meet the games played criteria to trigger the second year in his deal. I don't know how Bruce feels about the way his career has panned out, but surely there must be some sense of disappointment at leaving a club he'd spent 11 years at only to flame out in one season in another jumper.

Obviously, late career changes aren't always a disastrous idea (Luke Ball, Stan Alves being some examples), but hopefully Green's seen the way things have turned out for his mate and can sort something out sooner rather than later.

[hardtack 10,126]

If an ageing out of form captain is prepared to "walk" for not being offered a two year deal instead of one, then he clearly is not the leader we need!

Correct, he is not the leader we need, but he IS a player we need and he should be offered two years if that is what it takes to keep him. As I said in another post, it seems Brad is the Mike Hussey of the MFC!

[Lutz 76]

I just get sick of all the keyboard heroes mindlessly bagging some of our players.

1 year max.

He can walk if he wants.

His time is up, but some mindlessly defend Green because they are too scared to face the reality that he is past his best, and is now nothing but an a very average player with poor leadership skills.

But keep resorting to insults.

[hardtack 10,126]

1 year max.

He can walk if he wants.

His time is up, but some mindlessly defend Green because they are too scared to face the reality that he is past his best, and is now nothing but an a very average player with poor leadership skills.

But keep resorting to insults.

You seem to consider the likes of RB to be resorting to insults, yet you make accusations of mindlessness on the part of those who disagree with your point of view? And that is ALL it is... a point of view based on one bad season where Green still manged to rank 11th in the Blueys by far better judges of player input and performance than either you or I and still managed to kick 37 goals in what was essentially a year affected by the weight of the captaincy!

[dee-luded 2,958]

Correct, he is not the leader we need, but he IS a player we need and he should be offered two years if that is what it takes to keep him. As I said in another post, it seems Brad is the Mike Hussey of the MFC!

Maybe, maybe Not. His soft at the contest style, if it continues is a Bad example to the young ones.

IMO if we are to try to get forward spots for the likes of Howe, Petterd, Jurrah, Watts, Sylvia, Bennell, Cook, Fitzpatrick, Mcdonald, Lawrence, Then we may Not need him for 2 years as a list clogger.

It's Time Brad, to put up, Or shut up, & off.

[hardtack 10,126]

Maybe, maybe Not. His soft at the contest style, if it continues is a Bad example to the young ones.

IMO if we are to try to get forward spots for the likes of Howe, Petterd, Jurrah, Watts, Sylvia, Bennell, Cook, Fitzpatrick, Mcdonald, Lawrence, Then we may Not need him for 2 years as a list clogger.

It's Time Brad, to put up, Or shut up, & off.

Sorry, but I really have to take issue with the "soft at the contest" comment. Yes he had a bad year, but Green has NEVER been soft! I know that statistics can be misleading, but if we look at this year, he actually increased the number of tackles from 58 to 61 while playing one less game this year... sure maybe they weren't as effective as in previous years, but he was definitely NOT shirking the contest. Additionally, his disposals and marks were pretty much similar to 2010 and the only area we could probably say he obviously fell down in, was his kicking in front of goal... but he still managed 37 compared to 55 last year - not a bad return by any means.

One of the problems Green had this year was that he was being instructed to play forward and himself lamented the fact that he was being restricted in his access to the ball as a result. If the ball is not being delivered to the forwards, then of course, being played forward, he is going to look bad and his effectiveness as a leader is limited.

[nutbean 8,837]

His soft at the contest style, if it continues is a Bad example to the young ones.

Bad call. There is a difference between indifferent form, being fumbly and not holding marks - and going missing from general play as opposed to being soft at the contest. I strongly disagree with him being soft at the contest. The worst example he set this year was not stepping up to the plate when he was most needed. ( he wasnt Robinson Crusoe in this regard)

Edited September 27, 2011 by nutbean

[hardtack 10,126]

Nutbean, what is the trick to editing posts here? When I use Edit, nothing happens when I click on the Save Changes button.

[north westerly 40]

Correct, he is not the leader we need, but he IS a player we need and he should be offered two years if that is what it takes to keep him. As I said in another post, it seems Brad is the Mike Hussey of the MFC!

There is one major difference between Mike Hussey & Brad Green - Hussey was actually IN FORM when axed from the Australian team.

[Forest Demon 4,681]

My opinion for what it is worth is he should no longer be. captain, but a 2 year deal seems appropriate.

[nutbean 8,837]

1 year max.

He can walk if he wants.

His time is up, but some mindlessly defend Green because they are too scared to face the reality that he is past his best, and is now nothing but an a very average player with poor leadership skills.

But keep resorting to insults.

Im glad the club doesnt jump ship quite as quickly as you have on players - for the record - his poor season netted 37 goals - the 18th best in league - given that there are 6 forwards in each team - that places him in the top 18%.

You may be right that his time is up but to say people are mindless defending him because of being too scared to face reality that he is past his best. - there is opinion and there is just wow and this falls into the category of just wow.

[nutbean 8,837]

There is one major difference between Mike Hussey & Brad Green - Hussey was actually IN FORM when axed from the Australian team.

Fortunately - the similarity is that Hussey and Green havent been axed from either of their teams.

[hardtack 10,126]

There is one major difference between Mike Hussey & Brad Green - Hussey was actually IN FORM when axed from the Australian team.

Actually, my reference to Hussey related to the fact that when he went through a bad patch, and being in the "older" bracket, everyone was calling for him to be axed... fortunately the powers that be in the cricketing world persevered and he has since repaid their faith.

[Lutz 76]

"mindless" was purely the term used in the post I was replying to.

Yes, we all have opinions.

Mine is that if he doesn't want 1 year, he can have none.

End of.

[hardtack 10,126]

"mindless" was purely the term used in the post I was replying to.

Yes, we all have opinions.

Mine is that if he doesn't want 1 year, he can have none.

End of.

Ahhh I see... that makes it ok then.

Anyway, I will trust the people that matter in the club to make the correct decision, whatever it may be,

[old dee 22,851]

Ahhh I see... that makes it ok then.

Anyway, I will trust the people that matter in the club to make the correct decision, whatever it may be,

At the end of the day hardtack we only have opinions but no choice.

I just hope he is running out in our first game of 2012

[hardtack 10,126]

Exactly Old Dee!

[Dee*ceiving 876]

Definitely worth 2 years. If the Eagles had of applied this type of approach with their veterans over the last couple of years they may well have lost 1 or all of Embley, Glass, Cox, Lynch and Kerr and they all had excellent seasons. Good enough to propel them to a prelim.

Brad has been in our best 5 players for for a long time. A 2 year deal for a bloke that won the B&F last year and staved off lucrative offers from Collingwood and Sydney not that long ago to stay with Melbourne when he was in his prime and we were cellar dwellers is hardly selling the farm.

As for captaincy, I think he in consultaton witht he FD has earned the right to determine whether it is in the best interests of him as a player and the club to continue as captain in 2012 or handover to someone else.

[old dee 22,851]

Definitely worth 2 years. If the Eagles had of applied this type of approach with their veterans over the last couple of years they may well have lost 1 or all of Embley, Glass, Cox, Lynch and Kerr and they all had excellent seasons. Good enough to propel them to a prelim.

Brad has been in our best 5 players for for a long time. A 2 year deal for a bloke that won the B&F last year and staved off lucrative offers from Collingwood and Sydney not that long ago to stay with Melbourne when he was in his prime and we were cellar dwellers is hardly selling the farm.

As for captaincy, I think he in consultaton witht he FD has earned the right to determine whether it is in the best interests of him as a player and the club to continue as captain in 2012 or handover to someone else.

YEP

[Robbie57 1,990]

Definitely worth 2 years. If the Eagles had of applied this type of approach with their veterans over the last couple of years they may well have lost 1 or all of Embley, Glass, Cox, Lynch and Kerr and they all had excellent seasons. Good enough to propel them to a prelim.

Brad has been in our best 5 players for for a long time. A 2 year deal for a bloke that won the B&F last year and staved off lucrative offers from Collingwood and Sydney not that long ago to stay with Melbourne when he was in his prime and we were cellar dwellers is hardly selling the farm.

As for captaincy, I think he in consultaton witht he FD has earned the right to determine whether it is in the best interests of him as a player and the club to continue as captain in 2012 or handover to someone else.

I agree with this. We are too quick to judgement on this site at times (which I think was Ron B's point).

[beelzebub 22,225]

Definitely worth 2 years. If the Eagles had of applied this type of approach with their veterans over the last couple of years they may well have lost 1 or all of Embley, Glass, Cox, Lynch and Kerr and they all had excellent seasons. Good enough to propel them to a prelim.

Brad has been in our best 5 players for for a long time. A 2 year deal for a bloke that won the B&F last year and staved off lucrative offers from Collingwood and Sydney not that long ago to stay with Melbourne when he was in his prime and we were cellar dwellers is hardly selling the farm.

As for captaincy, I think he in consultaton witht he FD has earned the right to determine whether it is in the best interests of him as a player and the club to continue as captain in 2012 or handover to someone else.

I agree with al lbut the determination of the captiancy. its not for him do say really. The FD ought to hold sway here and at the moment it ought to be just Neeld

[Axis of Bob 10,218]

When you get to a certain age it is reasonable that players move to one year contracts. Brent Harvey has been on them for ages. Why? Because in a high intensity sport like AFL your performance can drop off really quickly if you lose a bit of pace.

Green showed signs this that he was starting to lose a bit of pace and, if it worsens, then he'll struggle top play AFL at all. A one year deal is reasonable and certainly not an insult to Green. If he continues to contribute next year then he'll get another deal.

[rpfc 27,451]

Definitely worth 2 years. If the Eagles had of applied this type of approach with their veterans over the last couple of years they may well have lost 1 or all of Embley, Glass, Cox, Lynch and Kerr and they all had excellent seasons. Good enough to propel them to a prelim.

Brad has been in our best 5 players for for a long time. A 2 year deal for a bloke that won the B&F last year and staved off lucrative offers from Collingwood and Sydney not that long ago to stay with Melbourne when he was in his prime and we were cellar dwellers is hardly selling the farm.

As for captaincy, I think he in consultaton witht he FD has earned the right to determine whether it is in the best interests of him as a player and the club to continue as captain in 2012 or handover to someone else.

I understand the sentiment but please don't equate Green to Kerr, Embley, Cox, or Glass. The are on another level.

We should keep him, he has been a good contributer to the club.

However, he shouldn't decide with the FD whether he keeps the captaincy; Maxwell has to win his captaincy every year and the FD should, in consultation with a blind vote from the players, decide who is going to lead us in 2012.

[DemonWA 3,434]

I understand the sentiment but please don't equate Green to Kerr, Embley, Cox, or Glass. The are on another level.

i think green is as good as Embley. before this year, the only good game he ever played was when he jagged the norm smith

[Dr. Mubutu 694]

I understand the sentiment but please don't equate Green to Kerr, Embley, Cox, or Glass. The are on another level.

We should keep him, he has been a good contributer to the club.

However, he shouldn't decide with the FD whether he keeps the captaincy; Maxwell has to win his captaincy every year and the FD should, in consultation with a blind vote from the players, decide who is going to lead us in 2012.

Isn't this the way the 'Leading Teams' program works (or whatever it's called).

I have a feeling with the new coach we may see a new leadership program installed.

I'm liking the sounds of the 'My Way or the Highway' program.