Far too many players are given elite status when they don't deserve it

Judd is Elite , Swan is Elite , Ablett is Elite, Sylvia is not

Fact is there is no Melbourne Player worthy of Elite status so far

Consistency is an important ingredient when giving out such accolades

I couldn't disagree more.

Some of Sylvia's best games have been in a loosing side, with not much help from team mates.

Spot on Thomo. I distinctly remember a game against Hawthorn a couple of years ago where he got three Brownlow votes (30+ posessions and about 4 goals) in a game we lost by about five goals. Single handedly kept us competitive until late in the game. Wouldn't call him a front runner at all.

That said, he is also inconsistent and undeserving of the "elite" tag for the time being.

Edited May 7, 201114 yr by Deemolition

Spot on Thomo. I distinctly remember a game against Hawthorn a couple of years ago where he got three Brownlow votes (30+ posessions and about 4 goals) in a game we lost by about five goals. Single handedly kept us competitive until late in the game. Wouldn't call him a front runner at all.

That said, he is also inconsistent and undeserving of the "elite" tag for the time being.

I would . Talking about 1 game a couple years ago does nothing for your argument .

Fact is he goes missing all too often . The man is has it all , power , pace , strong mark , great disposal .

This club is crying out for him to step up , especially when we need something . Not just when we're going alright .

Sylvia is another constant reminder of TJ.When they do turn it on,they never finish the job properly.Rather a player who digs deep all day.

Give me swoopers '87 team.Only time in my life I thought we had a chance,thought we might pinch one on pure passion.

I would . Talking about 1 game a couple years ago does nothing for your argument .

Fact is he goes missing all too often . The man is has it all , power , pace , strong mark , great disposal .

This club is crying out for him to step up , especially when we need something . Not just when we're going alright .

That's pretty much where I was trying to be.

He has everything. He should be doing more, more often, than he does.

But he is getting better, if stalled over the last 6 weeks...

If he was stalled, he rattled through the gears today.

16 contested possies and hard run and tackling.

Really great game.

If he was stalled, he rattled through the gears today.

16 contested possies and hard run and tackling.

Really great game.

Yep, I'm a big critic and agree he was great. Love to see him back it up now. In fact, love to see the whole team back it up.

Absolutely smashed a few crows today with some MASSIVE tackles. Just awesome..

Needed to lift, and did.

I love football again.

Needed to lift, and did.

I love football again.

Hate to be critical after this win, but let's be honest, when the pressure was on in the first quarter he was quiet.

When the flood gates open he is the one player you want in your side because he'll kill the opposition with his finishing skills, but just don't rely on him to get you going.

Firstly there is no such thing as elite without the support! If you are elite (Judd, Ablett, Pavlich)

Pavlich and Judd have been elite through their whole careers. Judd has done it on his own for the last few years, and Pav has done it on his own the whole time he's been in the AFL. Not good examples. But your point is pretty sound.

Hate to be critical after this win, but let's be honest, when the pressure was on in the first quarter he was quiet.

When the flood gates open he is the one player you want in your side because he'll kill the opposition with his finishing skills, but just don't rely on him to get you going.

Agreed. It would be nice if he could add that other string to his bow but I guess we will just have to settle for the Col we have and hope he's the bloke that puts a GF beyond doubt (to stop me having a coronary if nothing else).

Hate to be critical after this win, but let's be honest, when the pressure was on in the first quarter he was quiet.

He had 6 possessions after 7 minutes.

Really?

I know we had the run of play up until that point, but he was the catalyst for the avalanche, with his 2 goals in a minute.

I find it hard to believe that the gibberish here is not tounge in cheek

Col is one of the few footballers we have

Moloney

Trengove

Sylvia

Tapscott

Maric

Petterd

The rest are good athletes trying to be footballers

Edited May 8, 201114 yr by lambtotheslaughter

I find it hard to believe that the gibberish here is not tounge in cheek

Col is one of the few footballers we have

Moloney

Trengove

Sylvia

Tapscott

Maric

Petterd

The rest are good athletes trying to be footballers

Jurrah??

Frawley??

Still goes in and out of games too often for my liking. Particularly a player who was drafted in '03. He'd be arguably our best player if he was a consistent, four quarter player.

If he was stalled, he rattled through the gears today.

16 contested possies and hard run and tackling.

Really great game.

Don't forget the 9 tackles. Great game.

Really?

I know we had the run of play up until that point, but he was the catalyst for the avalanche, with his 2 goals in a minute.

I distinctly remembering this too. In fact, I've just had it confirmed for me again after watching the fourth replay of the game, having been at the G myself for the Melb v Adel clash !

I hate to be 'positive' re: Sylvia, it's not something you would really find on here at Demonland too often, but without Sylvia, without a bit of class and polish, our team wouldn't be as effective without him.

To say that he was "quiet" when the pressure was on in the first, I find astounding. Sylvia Saint backed this up with facts. The pressure applied by our players was applied throughout. Great 4 quarter effort.

Some of the comments in this thread would suggest some will never be happy with his output, purely by the fact he "didn't deliver" for them in his first few years. Ouch.

But I'll remain positive and be content with the thought he das delivered a great deal in the last few years on a much more consistent basis.

Comparisons with Judd are just silly. Just like any other footballer compared to Judd is.

Jurrah??

Frawley??

I was being mischevious

I think there are a load of footballers at our club but the ones I listed happen to stand out to me

Yoiur list could have been a bit longer LOL

Edited May 8, 201114 yr by lambtotheslaughter

I distinctly remembering this too. In fact, I've just had it confirmed for me again after watching the fourth replay of the game, having been at the G myself for the Melb v Adel clash !

I hate to be 'positive' re: Sylvia, it's not something you would really find on here at Demonland too often, but without Sylvia, without a bit of class and polish, our team wouldn't be as effective without him.

To say that he was "quiet" when the pressure was on in the first, I find astounding. Sylvia Saint backed this up with facts. The pressure applied by our players was applied throughout. Great 4 quarter effort.

Some of the comments in this thread would suggest some will never be happy with his output, purely by the fact he "didn't deliver" for them in his first few years. Ouch.

But I'll remain positive and be content with the thought he das delivered a great deal in the last few years on a much more consistent basis.

Comparisons with Judd are just silly. Just like any other footballer compared to Judd is.

This post highlights a consistent demonland problem....memories of the past tainting opinions of the now. Footballers change. Some progress rapidly or hit the ground running...Jack Trengove, Jordan Gysberts. Most (not all) get better year to year, but too slow for some. Witness Brent Moloney, Nathan Jones, and dare I say it....Jack Watts. Some don't really improve, and get cut...Brad Miller, Paul Johnson.

Lies, damn lies, and statistics.

Sylvia isn't Judd's little finger. Judd leaves everything he has on the field.

Shame on you !

A totally unwarranted and garbage response.

To begin with, I stated that Col's form was up and down this year but put forward some stats which are quantifiable and important. (As opposed to kicks, handballs etc)

I only put forward those comparisons with Judd's stats to show Col's effectiveness with the ball.

Some people just misconstrued what I was trying to put forward hence my question mark at the heading of the post.

This is what Garland had to say about Sylvia today and is basically what I was trying to put forward.

*Col’s one of our best players and when he’s playing good footy, Melbourne’s playing good footy,” he said.

“His score involvements are right up there in the AFL, so Col just needs to bring that every week. He’s really inspiring the way he goes about it.

“He’s really physical and we need Col playing like that every week, because he’s one of our better players.”

Garland said Sylvia had the ability to become an elite player in the competition.

“Col’s got the capabilities of being a really good player in the AFL and I think his best footy’s still ahead of him,” he said.

“He’s played over 100 games and probably the penny dropped for him the year before last, when Bails had come to the club.

“He instilled the belief that he could be a really good player in the competition. We think that he’s capable of it.”

Leads the comp in Inside 50s... can't be having that poor a year.

And whoever implied he's a front runner obviously missed the Hawthorn game two years ago.

I have been critical of his performances to date but i think his performance on Sunday was outstanding.

I hope he brings that game every week.

Well done Col fabulous game.

Played a great game last Sunday...No reason why he cannot take on that North Defence.

Positive attitude Colin....SMASH THEM.