None of this "will be good to get some games into him", or "he needs the game time and he'll come good with the experience". Who's in your current best 22 (alright, three emergencies are allowed)

FB: Bartram, Garland, Frawley

HB: Bruce, Rivers, MacDonald

C: Trengove, McKenzie, Davey

HF: Green, Watts, Dunn

FF: Jurrah, Petterd, Bennell

Fol: Jamar, Maloney, Jones

Int: Johnson, James McDonald ©, Morton, Scully

Emer: Bate, Wonnaeamirri, Bail

Alright, who did I forget?

Alright, who did I forget?

Sylvia and Grimes and prob swap them for Dunn and morton

Edited August 4, 201014 yr by raikkonen_64

Just the BOG from last week.

FB: Bartram, Warnock, Garland

HB: Bruce, Frawley, Grimes

C: Trengove, McKenzie, Davey

HF: Green, Watts, Sylvia

FF: Jurrah, Petterd, Wonnaeamirri

Fol: Jamar, Moloney, Scully

Int: Bennell, James McDonald ©, Morton, Jones

Emer: Bate, Bail, PJ (only as insurance for Jamar)

FB: Bartram, Warnock, Garland

HB: Bruce, Frawley, Grimes

C: Trengove, McKenzie, Davey

HF: Green, Watts, Sylvia

FF: Jurrah, Petterd, Wonnaeamirri

Fol: Jamar, Moloney, Scully

Int: Bennell, James McDonald ©, Morton, Jones

Emer: Bate, Bail, PJ (only as insurance for Jamar)

Form at the moment makes me question his inclusion.

Feck... massive apologies to Sylvia and Grimes.

FB: Bartram, Garland, Frawley

HB: Grimes, Rivers, Bruce

C: Trengove, McKenzie, Davey

HF: Green, Watts, Sylvia

FF: Jurrah, Petterd, Bennell

Fol: Jamar, Maloney, Jones

Int: Johnson, James McDonald ©, Dunn, Scully

Emer: Bate, MacDonald, Morton

Form at the moment makes me question his inclusion.

Apparently Warnock is tearing it up at Casey and I dont think Rivers is a lock in in the backline and has not been a standout to date.. At any rate its line ball atm.

If you are going to pick a best 22 right now, (to theoretically play Richmond) then you can't have injured players, so Grimes and Petterd should not be considered.......also I would say the form of Jurrah and Morton is down at the moment

Apparently Warnock is tearing it up at Casey and I dont think Rivers is a lock in in the backline and has not been a standout to date.. At any rate its line ball atm.

Clearly you have some issues with Rivers.

Rivers has a had a pretty solid three to four weeks of football. Who in the backline apart from maybe Frawley has been a standout

to date? Collectively they have done a great job and Warnock was the one who became iffy, especially with his disposal.

Clearly the FD agree with this as Warnock has been playing VFL football as of recent.

I thought you were the first one to jump to the FD's side big Rich?

If you are going to pick a best 22 right now, (to theoretically play Richmond) then you can't have injured players, so Grimes and Petterd should not be considered.......also I would say the form of Jurrah and Morton is down at the moment

The thread sub-title makes it pretty clear, I'd have thought, that this is a hypothetical assuming full list fitness. The game is to identify our full strength team at the current stages of each player's development. As opposed to the hypothetical Rnd 1 2011 or Grand Final team.

This is a very difficult game, and it only gets harder if you fast-forward to next year and consider that some young players will have developed to a point where they demand selection.

B: Bartram Frawley Garland

HB: Grimes Rivers Macdonald

C: Scully Moloney Davey

HF: Davey Watts Sylvia

F: Petterd Jurrah Green

R: Jamar Trengove McDonald

Int: Bruce McKenzie Bennell Wonaeamirri

Emg: Morton Bate Bail

Problem with Rivers since he had the awful injury run has been athleticism. Did he have enough to matchup reliably on a key forward? could he take those great marks he's become know for? etc. etc.

While these questions were in the air Warnock is in the team before Rivers name is put down...he's reliable, tough, does his job.

However, Rivers is a much "better" footballer...reads the play better, and uses the ball more effectively (don't care what the 'effective' stat says, Warnock's disposals are often ultra safe), therefore if Rivers answers those questions he should be in the team...no knocking Warnock, he'll play a part in our team - I just see him going up and down from Casey in the future.

So my best team for this week (i.e. available players):

FB: Bartram, Rivers, Garland

HB: MacDonald, Frawley, Bruce

C: Trengove, McDonald, Morton

HF: Green, Watts, Sylvia

FF:Jurrah, Johnson, Bennell

Fol: Jamar, Maloney, Davey

Int: Dunn, Scully Jones, Wonnaeamirri

EMG: Bail, ,McKenzie which really hurts but he'll be automatic next year - doesn't deserve to be down on form but I think moloney needs to be in the team and well he and Bail make way for Beamer and Trenners

Some may say either wonna or Bennell should miss but personally really like them being there and it allows Sylvia to get more of a run in the middle which is great

This took a bit of effort - I tried to stick with a process that allowed me to remain objective and end up with a reasonably balanced side, but it was tough. The result:

B: Bartram Frawley Garland

HB: Grimes Rivers Macdonald

C: Scully Sylvia Davey

HF: Petterd Watts Dunn

F: Green Jurrah Wonaeamirri

R: Jamar Moloney McDonald

Int: Morton Trengove McKenzie Bruce

Em: Bate Bennell Jones

C: Scully Moloney Davey

HF: Davey Watts Sylvia

Noticed this because I was trying to find the differences between your side and mine - you've got Davey twice.

I'll thought I had made it simple. And understanding what you have quoted has been proven not to one your strong points Stevie.

I said its line ball and I dont Rivers is a lock in. And Rivers has demonstrated that he is not a great disposer of the ball on a number of occasion.

The FD is entitled to its opinion and judgement as am I. Brave enough to put your own side up or can you just take misguided post shots as usual?

And for the record, both Garland and Bartram have at various times been outstanding in the backline as well as Frawley. But maybe you just me missed that. Ho hum.

FB: Bartram, Warnock, Garland

HB: Bruce, Frawley, Grimes

C: Trengove, McKenzie, Davey

HF: Green, Watts, Sylvia

FF: Jurrah, Petterd, Wonaeamirri

Fol: Jamar, Moloney, Scully

Int: Bennell, James McDonald ©, Morton, Jones

Emer: Bate, Bail, PJ (insurance for Jamar)

I think Bennell, Bail and Wonaeamirri are virtually interchangeable (although slightly different roles), ditto Warnock and Rivers.

I hope in a year (or two) we'll be able to take out Bruce and McDonald when they retire and put in any of Gysberts, Bail, Tapscott or Blease without any downside. Same with Fitzpatrick and/or Gawn for PJ.

B - Bartram Rivers Garland

HB - Grimes Frawley Bruce

C - Scully McKenzie Davey

HF - Green Watts Sylvia

F - Jurrah Petterd Wonaeamirri

R - Jamar Moloney Trengove

I - MacDonald, Jones, Dunn, McDonald

E - Bate, Morton, Bennell

Ok, what is "FD"?

Ok, what is "FD"?

FD stands for Football Department. Basically the coach and everyone else who decides who plays each week.

FB: Bartram, Frawley, Garland

HB: Bruce, MacDonald, Rivers

C: Trengove, McKenzie, Davey

HF: Green, Watts, Sylvia

FF: Jurrah, Petterd, Wonnaeamirri

Fol: Jamar, Moloney, Scully

Int: Grimes, James McDonald ©, Dunn, Jones

Emg: Bate, Bennell, Morton

Tough call atm. Grimes to the mid's.

With no explanation:

B : Bartram, Frawley, Bruce

HB : Rivers, Garland, Grimes

C : Trengove, Moloney, McDonald©

HF : Davey, Watts, Sylvia

FF : Green, Jurrah, Bennell

FOL: Jamar, Jones, Scully

INT: Morton, McKenzie, Dunn, Petterd

EMG: Johnson, Bail, Warnock

Form at the moment makes me question his inclusion.

Warnock has been in the best at Casey for three weeks running. I guess that's what you mean by form.

The thread sub-title makes it pretty clear, I'd have thought, that this is a hypothetical assuming full list fitness. The game is to identify our full strength team at the current stages of each player's development. As opposed to the hypothetical Rnd 1 2011 or Grand Final team.

This is a very difficult game, and it only gets harder if you fast-forward to next year and consider that some young players will have developed to a point where they demand selection.

B: Bartram Frawley Garland

HB: Grimes Rivers Macdonald

C: Scully Moloney Davey

HF: Davey Watts Sylvia

F: Petterd Jurrah Green

R: Jamar Trengove McDonald

Int: Bruce McKenzie Bennell Wonaeamirri

Emg: Morton Bate Bail

TWO DAVEYS-I like that.

My team is

Bartram Warnock Rivers

MacDonald Frawley Bruce

Garland Maloney Morton

Green Watts Bate

Davey Dunn Jurrah

Jamar Trengove McDonald

Sylvia McKenzie Scully Petterd

Edited August 4, 201014 yr by jayceebee31

FB: Bartram, Frawley, Rivers

HB: Grimes, Garland, Bruce

C: Trengove, Moloney, Davey

HF: Dunn, Watts, Sylvia

FF: Jurrah, Green, Wonaeamirri

Fol: Jamar, McDonald, Scully

Int: Bennell, Bail, Morton, McKenzie

Emer: Petterd, Bate, Jones

* I don't overly rate Joel MacDonald, but yes, he's been playing well. Not in my team.

* I've included Dunn on the back of his vast improvement and Petterd's long absence, but they're interchangeable

* Bate can play, but right now our forward-line is better balanced without him. He's a tweener, in that he's not as good on the deck as a hff and he's not a true kpp marking target.

* Jones is honest, but lacks class. Right now I want Bail's pace and run and I prefer McKenzie's contested footy.

* Morton is lucky, but I like his flexibility.

Looking forward to Tapscott, Blease, and Gysberts staking their claims.

B: Bartram Frawley Garland

HB: MacDonald Rivers Grimes

C: Sylvia Scully Davey

HF: Jurrah Watts Dunn

FF: Wonaeamirri Green Petterd

R: Jamar Moloney McDonald

I: Bail McKenzie Bruce Trengove

E: Morton Bennell Jones

6 weeks ago I would never have thought that I'd be putting Dunn in our best 22 today, but I reckon he's doing enough now to make me put him in. Same goes for Bartram.

Right now I put Rivers in over Warnock but that's only because one of them's in the AFL side and one's in the VFL side. Personally I'm unconvinced either way for the long term.

Can't find room for Bennell. MacDonald is playing really well and I reckon his run off half back is crucial, Jurrah's not in form right now but is still a best 22 player, Petterd played more than well enough when he was in to get back in, Bail's run and pace, as well as 50 metre kicking, IMO is more important than what Bennell gives us.