gee wiz imagine getting pinched on salary cap charges over SYLVIA.

The AFL is joke headed by a bunch of clowns.

Could be Mark Allan JtR

However, the ability for Judd to earn $$$$$$$$ outside the salary cap with the AFL s knowledge at Vi$yton makes a mockery of the whole system. I am not sure why others have not exploited it before. Or are they and we dont know it yet???

There have long been rumours about Pavlich, and land development deals (like the tiges?)

Same scenario, different means, alleged of course.

Probably the worst kept secret in the annals of AFL history has been let out of the bag by the Herald Sun - Secrets of Chris Judd's pay packet revealed

AFL chiefs have approved the arrangement."

It seems that the entire football world is taking this lying down WJ. There is an ubelievable level of complicity on this by the AFL, clubs, commentators and even supporters. I speculated on 'ology that there may be fear in the AFL about legal action regarding retsraint of trade?

Of course far worse is the fact that the social ideal that each club could win a flag every 16 years due to the equities brought by the cap and draft goes out the window.

Carlton were a broke wreck 2 years ago with a terrible list, past it coach, brawling board and dud president. Who says money can't buy happiness?

The AFL's drug code is on the nose as well.

The AFL's drug code is on the nose as well.

Well they can't take away Buddy, can they?

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The ALF won't do anything because they don't seem to have the brains or the tools to do anything useful about it. The amount of stupid discisions this orginisation makes is mind boggling at times, so I can see why they would want to bury their heads in the sand rather than try to tackle a problem that could blow up in their faces.

Edit - I was going to change the ALF spelling mistake I made back to AFL but then I realised that Alien Life Forms might actually be more apt.

AFL chiefs have approved the arrangement."

Adrian Ando: "Ken Wood ticked it off."

The blue baggers are at it again, they are a bunch of cheats, they say that they don't know any thing about the arrangement Judd has with visy being that it was the last president and it has nothing to do with judd and visy. Now come on judd says that he is only doing it to promote recycling, and that money has nothing to do with it, carlton are breaking the salary cap again, and pratt is one big fat liar, he is also, an alleged criminal the company rip off 790 million dollars from price fixing and only gets fined 34 million yep that's going to stop him make 790 m, pay back 34 m, he should give it all back. now judd if he is only doing it to promote recycling then he would do it for free. now that interview he had with the four clubs was just one big smoke screen, the deal was done in round 11 after carlton had four wins up at that point, then they cant win another game that's another big lie

Probably the worst kept secret in the annals of AFL history has been let out of the bag by the Herald Sun - Secrets of Chris Judd's pay packet revealed

"Cash payments from Visy to Judd - believed to total several hundred thousand dollars a year - come on top of his $1 million-a-season Carlton pay packet.

AFL chiefs have approved the arrangement."

The AFL's level playing field was pronounced dead when the AFL tinkered with the draw so that it favours clubs like Collingwood with its high drawing power. Now the salary cap which was supposed to help even out the competition is also dead.

What next?

The premiers get first selection in the national draft as a reward?

And what a farce this makes of Chri$ Judd's so-called selection and interview process. The insiders appear to have been right on the button with their claims that Judd had made his decision well before he went through that farcical process in late 2007 during which supporters of Collingwood, Essendon and Melbourne were led to believe that he might go to their club.

Oh, and the Visy ecology message has about as much credibility as its leading spokespeson - zilch!

the Pies have 11 home games at the G then there is a list of clubs with Melbourne heading it requesting home games against the Pies. We need the money that that game generates. When did we have a bigger crowd at home not counting Queens birthday games? possibly 1st final against the Saints a couple of years ago. Brisbne, Port , Eagles , Swans and Geelong over recent years years have shown if you are good enough you can win anywhere even interstate. The Judd situaion is a blight on our game, but nothing will be done until multiple players are on Visy`s books.

the Pies have 11 home games at the G then there is a list of clubs with Melbourne heading it requesting home games against the Pies. We need the money that that game generates. When did we have a bigger crowd at home not counting Queens birthday games? possibly 1st final against the Saints a couple of years ago. Brisbne, Port , Eagles , Swans and Geelong over recent years years have shown if you are good enough you can win anywhere even interstate. The Judd situaion is a blight on our game, but nothing will be done until multiple players are on Visy`s books.

I'm pretty sure there are already multiple carlton players employed as 'enviromental amba$$adors'

This just goes to show that as a club, we are not to blame for Judd's decision to go to Carlton.

He is a soulless [censored] (as is Warnock*), and Carlton have the means to cheat and bribe players away from other clubs (be it a rich club like Collingwood, or a poor club like ours).

*Suck on it hard Carlton, we have Spencer who cost us virtually nothing, while you are paying hundreds of thousands of dollars for an overrated, underachieving, injured beanpole! :D

clap, clap, clap..................(round of applause).........well said!

Do you remember the epicode in the 1st series of underbelly where they were sitting in the grandstand at tanking park talking about who they were going to kill next well that says it all and mr elliot just happened to be the pres at the time

The underbell'ys go suck carltankunderbells

The blue baggers are at it again, they are a bunch of cheats, they say that they don't know any thing about the arrangement Judd has with visy being that it was the last president and it has nothing to do with judd and visy. Now come on judd says that he is only doing it to promote recycling, and that money has nothing to do with it, carlton are breaking the salary cap again, and pratt is one big fat liar, he is also, an alleged criminal the company rip off 790 million dollars from price fixing and only gets fined 34 million yep that's going to stop him make 790 m, pay back 34 m, he should give it all back. now judd if he is only doing it to promote recycling then he would do it for free. now that interview he had with the four clubs was just one big smoke screen, the deal was done in round 11 after carlton had four wins up at that point, then they cant win another game that's another big lie

well writen and spoken vince, massive improvement champ , GO DEMONS.

They should just ask Judd for a loan

Ha ha, they should, they can't pay back their debt with record members etc because they are probably still paying their players under the table.

Ha ha, they should, they can't pay back their debt with record members etc because they are probably still paying their players under the table.

The situation at Richmond with the Clinton Casey deals is also rather smelly. However, if the AFL tolerates the Judd payments the Toigs are safe. The salary cap is cactu$!

If the AFL pull their finger out over the Salary Cap then it will squeeze better players out to be picked up by GC17 and WS18...

They are not thinking this Sgt Schulz attitude they have toward 'outside the cap' payments through...

Think long term.

The Dees have rebuilt. Well stocked with talent. Winning flags. Jack Watts has become the player we wanted him wearing Norm Smith's Number 4 and has an impeccable record off field.

champion player, well spoken. A very likely candidate for a commercially justifiable rather large spokesman/image rights deal with one of our sponsors. And outside of the cap of course.